PLO10 butchered KKQA

hova

Joined: 09.11.2006

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24.05.2008, 12:42 0

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $12.65
Hero (MP): $7.85
CO: $16.80
BTN: $9.25
SB: $17.40
BB: $5.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K♠ Q♥ K♦ A♥
1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.30) 9♣ 6♥ 9♦ (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.30) 9♠ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, SB folds

River: ($0.60) 9♥ (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Obviously missed a valueraise on the river while not being focused, he will almost never have AAxx.
My limp preflop is probably not standard, but i like to mix it up with singlesuited big pairs oop at a loose table, where i cannot cbet >30% flops.

Do you position-bet the flop and/or raise the turn? If i raise the turn, is it safe to get it in or do I have to raise/fold?

9 replies

swissmoumout

Joined: 24.02.2007

Posts: 2,976

24.05.2008, 14:00 0

I recommend you play FR PLO to start with...also, buy-in full.

raise preflop (and c-bet). as played, check flop, call turn and raise/fold river imo (only AA beats us)

hova Topic starter

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24.05.2008, 15:43 0

What is the benefit in raising hands that can flop only sets or gutshotwraps out of position? If I raise KKQA singlesuited from MP i would have to raise 6657 too, is that right?

chenny8888

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25.05.2008, 03:05 0

flopping top sets, nutflushdraws and wraps >>> bottom sets, gutshotwraps, low flushes ;).

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swissmoumout

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25.05.2008, 09:34 0

yup, and if you're not even gonna openraise AKKQs, you probably shouldn't be playing at 6-max tables

hova Topic starter

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25.05.2008, 15:00 0

Originally posted by swissmoumout
yup, and if you're not even gonna openraise AKKQs, you probably shouldn't be playing at 6-max tables

I think the difference lies in playability. I don't raise the hand because it plays not particularly well 5handed postflop, not because it's equity is bad.

swissmoumout

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25.05.2008, 15:04 0

bad playability? nut flush, KK, AKQ.. that's pretty good I'd say

SoyCD

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25.05.2008, 15:18 0

I would have to agree. You have 3 Broadway cards - nutflush possibilities - and a pair of kings.

I think the hand has very good playability - and is a definite openraise

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_Anonymous_

28.05.2008, 11:37 0

Originally posted by hova
What is the benefit in raising hands that can flop only sets or gutshotwraps out of position? If I raise KKQA singlesuited from MP i would have to raise 6657 too, is that right?

wrong, 6657s can be dominated by higher flush and str draws. KKAQ cannot.
i would on occasion raise with 5667s though.

i certainly raise 998Ts or 9TTJs from this position vs a reasonably tight player on the BU.

concerning the particular value of AKKQ, dont forget that you have easy conti-bets on high flops, since you either flop top set or block it.

Sim87

Joined: 29.10.2006

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31.05.2008, 15:17 0

Originally posted by hova

Originally posted by swissmoumout
yup, and if you're not even gonna openraise AKKQs, you probably shouldn't be playing at 6-max tables

I think the difference lies in playability. I don't raise the hand because it plays not particularly well 5handed postflop, not because it's equity is bad.

this is a premium starting hand in PLO, and it plays well postlfop. as you say, your equity is pretty good, so why don't maximize the expectation by raising preflop?

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