Is there a sixth sense needed to play great poker?!

Originally posted by blackops888

Agreed. These factors are all involved, but what we are pointing here is that the 50% pain may be something entirely unnecessary if one understands a few concepts that are so often not spoken of.

I disagree sir. No way you can avoid this "pain" since we are dealing with donks and luck boxes who will suck out on us learning types. Recognizing When the pain sets in and how it affects our game is what we need to develop. And I do think the books and articles available to your NL100 player that help them deal with this is IS applicable to us micro players.

Originally posted by dochazard
This is turning out to be an interesting thread and a relevant one, as I am interested in poker psychology and still in micros also.

First off, before we get to psychology, there really has to be some level of proficiency on our part before we even begin to getting to mindsets. Otherwise, those willing to help us will have a difficult time. For example sir, were you in position or OOP in this hand? Your preflop and flop account of the action is not consistent with the turn and river actions. PF and on the flop, it seems like you acted behind, but turn and river it seems you act ahead.

Originally posted by Meda1985
Nicely spoken!
I like slow-players, and this hand was obvious mark of one of those.
pre-flop: he raises, I 55 call
flop: A67 - he raises, I'm thinking (I over-thought again) he's just c-betting, I re-raise, he calls
turn: 8 - I want to know if he has that ace or MAYBE some other trips so I raise even though I have straight draw (I KNOW he doesn't have 9T, maybe AT, but 9T NO WAY) and I'm waiting to see if he thinks I all-ready have one, he just calls
river: 4 - I check, he goes all-in I call, he shows AA
The same play as the one I lost half of BI I won now the whole BI. So, I think that even with fishes yo have to be consistent and play the way poker is supposed to be played, but with exceptions. Of course I would have check-folded because I was sure he had A if anything else hit the board, because I knew I couldn't bluff him out of the pot, maybe I would play 9, but MAYBE!
Thanks mate for helping my game, I appreciate it!

As for getting on psychology, I really think dealing with TILT is where it's at for microstakes. Your best game, where you are able to apply your best knowledge at this level (meaning TAG, ABC poker, whatever you want to call it). But if you start cbetting the calling stations who have TPWK when you have nothing when you know you shouldn't, because you're getting impatient to get a hold of your profitable range, then you need to learn how to deal with that sort of TILT.

Exactly. What we are considering here is how to proceed once the player has reached a decent skill level already. I completely agree with what you wrote.

But still, you understood our point here? There is actually a gap in psychology FOR the micro-stakes and a lack of focus on the kind of procedures that are necessary for a player to be able to build his bankroll until a point in which he can finally apply his poker skills at their fullest.

Originally posted by dochazard

Originally posted by blackops888

Agreed. These factors are all involved, but what we are pointing here is that the 50% pain may be something entirely unnecessary if one understands a few concepts that are so often not spoken of.

I disagree sir. No way you can avoid this "pain" since we are dealing with donks and luck boxes who will suck out on us learning types. Recognizing When the pain sets in and how it affects our game is what we need to develop. And I do think the books and articles available to your NL100 player that help them deal with this is IS applicable to us micro players.

Pain is not necessary from my perspective. This is quite personal, but I can say that from my experience pain ceased to exist most of the time when I got a real grasp of the long-term implications of my play. From that point on I wouldn't bother about being outplayed, losing a big pot for runner-runner, etc.

Of course that "playing for the long term" is something shown everywhere in this site and others, but I don't see the practical implications and the practical procedures that might lead to this being shown around with enough emphasis.

What I seem to understand is that you think there's a lack of ACTUAL INSTRUCTIONAL material for the microstakes player on how to prepare mindset-wise. Am I correct?

True that. However, one does have to start with the actual THINKING knowledge and process first of the psychology of the game. You've gotten there (e.g. knowing this is a game of large numbers and long time periods). The material is readily out there for all of us, in books and articles. The Poker Mindset and The Mental Game of Poker are just two examples.

But as for the actual how-tos for what to do, unfortunately that is the bread and butter of some of the coaches and some personalities like Chauhan and Tendler. Not proprietary by any means, but not that readily available to most. SUPPLY PROBLEM.

You also have to consider that we are all different from a cognitive psychology standpoint. Effective techniques will differ. Chauhan's methods for David Williams might not necessarily work for Helmuth, for example. DEMAND PECULIARITIES.

What do you propose we do about this, as it seems we are the few left to fend for ourselves?

He guys,

this is a very emotional topic, I know that. If you think you follow the strategy and still not succeed, what is left than thinking about bad luck or a sixth sense?

You can of course believe in a sixth sense of poker or what I would rather say 'a natural talent of some players like Ivey'.

But I can tell you what is left: Your continuous drive to improve your game. If you just ran bad and you keep studying that would mean a jump start sooner or later.

How can you ensure to be constantly improving?
Do you regularly join Live Coaching Sessions? Yes? But do you just follow them or do you think about spots and gameplay there,too ?
Do you regularly use the hand evaluation forum or strategy discussion forum to discuss your play and let it be confirmed by our professional hand judges?
Do you regularly watch videos and not just watch them but try to think about spots that you actually could use yourself. With this I do not of course mean: "he,the coach 3barrels here, so I just do it,too..." rather then "he, the Coach explains situations where I can use certain actions and I start using that,too".
Do you really review your own game after a session and think again about hands?
You know where this leads to - following the written strategy is one thing. Adding your own thoughts is another. If you are naturally talented with the Pokersixthsense then you might not need it before hitting NL200. I did not had this talent, I struggled too on the lowest of the low limits and I had to use the hand evaluation forums, the coachings, the videos to become a more decent player.

I want to end with a quote:

What do you get if you do not get what you want?
It is

Originally posted by dochazard

Originally posted by blackops888

Agreed. These factors are all involved, but what we are pointing here is that the 50% pain may be something entirely unnecessary if one understands a few concepts that are so often not spoken of.

I disagree sir. No way you can avoid this "pain" since we are dealing with donks and luck boxes who will suck out on us learning types. Recognizing When the pain sets in and how it affects our game is what we need to develop. And I do think the books and articles available to your NL100 player that help them deal with this is IS applicable to us micro players.

I cant believe someone actually took my post seriously, wow.

Originally posted by SvenBe
He guys,

this is a very emotional topic, I know that. If you think you follow the strategy and still not succeed, what is left than thinking about bad luck or a sixth sense?

You can of course believe in a sixth sense of poker or what I would rather say 'a natural talent of some players like Ivey'.

But I can tell you what is left: Your continuous drive to improve your game. If you just ran bad and you keep studying that would mean a jump start sooner or later.

How can you ensure to be constantly improving?
Do you regularly join Live Coaching Sessions? Yes? But do you just follow them or do you think about spots and gameplay there,too ?
Do you regularly use the hand evaluation forum or strategy discussion forum to discuss your play and let it be confirmed by our professional hand judges?
Do you regularly watch videos and not just watch them but try to think about spots that you actually could use yourself. With this I do not of course mean: "he,the coach 3barrels here, so I just do it,too..." rather then "he, the Coach explains situations where I can use certain actions and I start using that,too".
Do you really review your own game after a session and think again about hands?
You know where this leads to - following the written strategy is one thing. Adding your own thoughts is another. If you are naturally talented with the Pokersixthsense then you might not need it before hitting NL200. I did not had this talent, I struggled too on the lowest of the low limits and I had to use the hand evaluation forums, the coachings, the videos to become a more decent player.

I want to end with a quote:

What do you get if you do not get what you want?
It is

Spoiler

experience, this will help you in the future!

I think that's what we are talking about here, Sven. I'll try to explain as precisely as possible.

I think those things you wrote are priority #1 stuff for poker players who intend to succeed and beat their games, but the thing is that I think that all those things that you wrote are exactly the area in which ps.com concentrates almost exclusively. As a consequence of this almost specialized focus, what I missed when in the micros was a set of instructions regarding how to apply all of this when you are playing crazy games in which most tactics don't work (there is a strategy which is taught here, but the tactics like 3-betting, floating and so on are very easily overused by microstakes players who study a lot and are still stuck there).

I'm trying to put it with accuracy... To summarize all the stuff I wrote until now in this thread... I think that ps.com is excellent in giving strategic support in many ways, but I cannot find anywhere how one should implement those strategies in the micros. All of us who beat the micros know that we must sit there, not play too cleverly, no overthinking, no insane bluffs, stay tight, value bet as much as possible, avoid losses, etc... but these things are still released and left "in the air". The micro player can have a hard time implementing all those things in his game, because it is not emphasized anywhere that implementing this style is boring and that's exactly how it is meant to be, an almost mechanical job. If we were to make a strategy video with a coach grinding micros with TAG style, not trying to outplay people (which coaches do all of the time), playing only the best hands, etc, this video would be very boring, people would write "too tight" or "nit" in the comments section, but THIS is how a player should play if he were to follow and IMPLEMENT all the advice on how to play tight, value bet, cut losses, etc, etc, etc IN THE MICROS until they can grind their $2500 or so and ONLY THEN loosen up and make the best use of their resources. Of course that such a video would not be very helpful at any limit above NL/PL100.

But such material is not available in a large enough quantity. I hope I explained my point well... ♠_biggrin:

I spent a lot of time and effort in the micros trying to realize this, and I think that our friend who started the thread would have less problems if he had access to such material, as well as many other members.

he blackops888 ,

I understand your point that just giving a load of instructions does not make you a good player. A lot of players that struggle try to improve by watching higher limit videos, adapting bluffspots whenever they feel like its apropriate and thus becoming a winning player.
I think the opposit is true - BACK TO THE BASICS: leave out any 3barrelingfancybluffspots, leave out bluffminraises, leave out speculative hands and what is left will be the basic strategy, played by >5 million PokerStrategists.
I do know what I am talking about because I am trying the same thing as veriz does but I do it in the german community - I started with virtual 50$ and want to move up in the limits on NL FR. Whenever I start playing fancy moves or try to use advanced techniques I get beaten by non-thinking-players and I get teached: stay with the basics and all will be good.

You also mentioned that the basic strategy is quite boring. Is it?
If you are an experienced NL25 player with 200.000 hands of lifetime experience it surely is. But if you are new to the tables even twotableing is almost to much for you.
Do you remember your driving school? Did you first learn the boring stuff like how to shift gears, how to break, how to look in the mirror? Only after you knew all this stuff you were allowed to drive to your friends place...

What conclusion does it lead me to?
We have to emphasise more that new starters need to follow a learning path to become better players.
We actually try to improve by initiating the Poker School for Beginners - with our awesome teacher veriz. You get a lot of collections of homework, videos, articles, hand evaluations to improve your games.
But we do more - we are actually really working on a learning path that you can follow as a beginner. You can 'walk' along this path to see where you have to work on and where you can simply pass by. This will bring a way better overview to our strategy. Unfortunately this is going to take some time. Make a simple mind experiment with me - can you imagine to write a basic beginner strategy on a simple A4-page? It is really hard to compress all the information and to extract what really counts. So development of this path will take a bit,but to all our advantages :-)

he, and blackops888 if you really feel that you have a overview of what is needed on the microstakes I really invite you to join our team of coaches. Writing an article with all precious, compressed advice does make you an author, but also a valuable coach who teaches what really counts. Be a part of PokerStrategy.com - The professional PokerSchool

PokerStrategy.com is probably one of the best specialized sites (in any specialization, not just poker) that exist, nobody is trying to say that you are not doing a great job. When I started this thread I gave it kind of a joke, but kind of a true, title. I didn't mean that you only have to be born to play poker, maybe that sixth sense can be possibly learned trough constant skill-improving and everything you say?!
I'm not saying micro-stakes are I don't know what kind of problem, I just say, that except basics and some (but a limited amount) of the advanced study material can be implemented in them. Maybe I'm wrong, probably even, but right now I'm still in micro-stakes and I'm doing everything that I read here (not just here) and I just can't make a break-trough. I'm trying to find out if there is some other way to beat micro stakes, except with power of extreme patience and self-control?
P.S. I'm not being emotional, I'm just trying to learn. Please, enlighten me in a best way to progress them. Is there an edge and if there is what is that edge? I'm not saying that as any form of mucking, I'm asking for help from members that have encountered the same problem, playing for hours and hours a day, for months and months and no results... and also... I don't say, maybe I'm just doing it all wrong... Because, if I was over-emotional with so-called "donks" in micro-stakes and if I believed that I have what it takes to beat higher stakes players, thinking that I was just unlucky I wouldn't be asking for advices or trying to make bankroll myself, I would just go to the bank deposit large sum of hard earned money in some of the sites (if not in more of them) and start my poker career. I know I'm an amateur, because if I can't beat so called "donks", yeah, I'm going to beat somebody who really knows how to play. I'm not that wain.

dochazarad, I was in position in that hand. I don't know how to use quote, that's why I'm not doing that all quote thing.

@Meda1985

I'm kinda stuck in microstakes, too, so we're kinda in the same boat.

Maybe the more experienced members can provide better advice if they know more about your current situation in more concrete terms.

Where do you play? What's your current BR? What actual stakes/games do you play regularly? How many tables? Do you use a sniffer? Do you use a HUD? How many hands have you played in total?

Originally posted by SvenBe
he blackops888 ,

I understand your point that just giving a load of instructions does not make you a good player. A lot of players that struggle try to improve by watching higher limit videos, adapting bluffspots whenever they feel like its apropriate and thus becoming a winning player.
I think the opposit is true - BACK TO THE BASICS: leave out any 3barrelingfancybluffspots, leave out bluffminraises, leave out speculative hands and what is left will be the basic strategy, played by >5 million PokerStrategists.
I do know what I am talking about because I am trying the same thing as veriz does but I do it in the german community - I started with virtual 50$ and want to move up in the limits on NL FR. Whenever I start playing fancy moves or try to use advanced techniques I get beaten by non-thinking-players and I get teached: stay with the basics and all will be good.

You also mentioned that the basic strategy is quite boring. Is it?
If you are an experienced NL25 player with 200.000 hands of lifetime experience it surely is. But if you are new to the tables even twotableing is almost to much for you.
Do you remember your driving school? Did you first learn the boring stuff like how to shift gears, how to break, how to look in the mirror? Only after you knew all this stuff you were allowed to drive to your friends place...

What conclusion does it lead me to?
We have to emphasise more that new starters need to follow a learning path to become better players.
We actually try to improve by initiating the Poker School for Beginners - with our awesome teacher veriz. You get a lot of collections of homework, videos, articles, hand evaluations to improve your games.
But we do more - we are actually really working on a learning path that you can follow as a beginner. You can 'walk' along this path to see where you have to work on and where you can simply pass by. This will bring a way better overview to our strategy. Unfortunately this is going to take some time. Make a simple mind experiment with me - can you imagine to write a basic beginner strategy on a simple A4-page? It is really hard to compress all the information and to extract what really counts. So development of this path will take a bit,but to all our advantages :-)

he, and blackops888 if you really feel that you have a overview of what is needed on the microstakes I really invite you to join our team of coaches. Writing an article with all precious, compressed advice does make you an author, but also a valuable coach who teaches what really counts. Be a part of PokerStrategy.com - The professional PokerSchool

So... I like the part of writing an article and so on. I as actually inclined to apply for coach when I reached the PLO1000 level, but an article on micros would be both an interesting challenge and also a very pleasant introduction to the system. I sent you an invitation so we can exchange PMs.

I liked your question about boredom. Personally, I do think it consists of monotonous routine to apply certain strategies that fit for micros and I learned the hard way to endure the desire to be fancy and all, but at the same time I don't FEEL bored while playing. There is a huge gap in there and I think that developing this gap is what really made me start winning at these limits. It consists of doing something that we know is right and for a sustained period of time, while keeping in mind that the solidification of these concepts in our style is a pre-requisite for any further development from mid-stakes and on. This is actually the psychological edge I've been discussing with people in this thread, and also the content that could be complemented in ps.com's material in a more detailed, practical-oriented context, rather than being sporadically outline here and there at some articles and videos.

I sent you an invitation so we can further discuss your proposal. Thanks!

Originally posted by Meda1985
PokerStrategy.com is probably one of the best specialized sites (in any specialization, not just poker) that exist, nobody is trying to say that you are not doing a great job. When I started this thread I gave it kind of a joke, but kind of a true, title. I didn't mean that you only have to be born to play poker, maybe that sixth sense can be possibly learned trough constant skill-improving and everything you say?!
I'm not saying micro-stakes are I don't know what kind of problem, I just say, that except basics and some (but a limited amount) of the advanced study material can be implemented in them. Maybe I'm wrong, probably even, but right now I'm still in micro-stakes and I'm doing everything that I read here (not just here) and I just can't make a break-trough. I'm trying to find out if there is some other way to beat micro stakes, except with power of extreme patience and self-control?
P.S. I'm not being emotional, I'm just trying to learn. Please, enlighten me in a best way to progress them. Is there an edge and if there is what is that edge? I'm not saying that as any form of mucking, I'm asking for help from members that have encountered the same problem, playing for hours and hours a day, for months and months and no results... and also... I don't say, maybe I'm just doing it all wrong... Because, if I was over-emotional with so-called "donks" in micro-stakes and if I believed that I have what it takes to beat higher stakes players, thinking that I was just unlucky I wouldn't be asking for advices or trying to make bankroll myself, I would just go to the bank deposit large sum of hard earned money in some of the sites (if not in more of them) and start my poker career. I know I'm an amateur, because if I can't beat so called "donks", yeah, I'm going to beat somebody who really knows how to play. I'm not that wain.

Man I'm pretty sure you are leaking your winnings somehow then. Do you use holdem manager or something similar? If so, apply a filter to show only the "hands WON" between your whole database. You will notice that the amount of money that must have come to your stacks but slipped between your fingers is quite considerable in comparison with your winnings. This is something that people who study but still struggle in the micros have in common. Do this if you can and report the result here.

In a way or another, you must be doing something almost unconsciously that is leading you to those losses. The most valuable lesson I learned from the micros was like this.... we all have our fair share of good hands and "nutted" situations in which we are able to go all-in and just lay back very relaxed while waiting for people to handle their stacks to us. Do not believe that some people are more lucky and run into those situations more often than others. That's simply incorrect. The factor that makes a micro-stakes player progress is that he has somehow found how to not lose what he earned to the two greatest enemies in the micros: (1) tilt and (2) fancy play. (I can also argument that they are both one, once tilt and fancy play very easily trigger each other, but that would lead to another ton of posts!).

Think about it. Instead of trying your best to make more and more money in the micros (basically due to the thinking that the reason you are not up enough is caused by not winning enough), focus for a few days on the following: Where am I losing money?

If you stop losing, the whole thing changes. And don't forget that experiment with the filter on Holdem Manager...

Well, there is for sure some major leak in my game! I would be constant wining player if there wasn't... But I don't use no applications. I don't go there... I remember my hands and think about what have I done wrong in them when I'm not playing. When I lose money from somebody who played like a "donk" I note him, especially if they run away to another table and I get my money back 50% of the time, but sometimes, they lose it before I get the chance of getting it back... And I really think there is no obvious pattern when I'm losing (all crap happens: I suck out, I try to bluff a "donk", I get a monster when somebody gets even stronger monster like better set on the flop and I play "smart" and sometimes fold high pairs with a kicker when somebody is going all-in after raise, re-raise, re-raise on the flop*), but tilt and "fancy" play are most probable reasons.
About that *, I've put it there in order to ask you about that-
-When I play a hand like this: AJ on me in late-mid pos. and call or two after me, I hit J on the flop and there is like 5 and 8 too, I raise, get re-raised, I re-raise and he goes all-in... I usually fold that when I have no idea what kind of a player he is, is that smart or not??? Also, when I'm in position I've seen so many check/raise bluffs from them when I'm in position... I've noticed them go all-in with top pairs with no kicker but as I call that I see them with trips as much as I don't and when I don't see them with trips there are idiots with J 7 and there are draws in which I suck out in like 30% of the time when I called and don't forget slow-played over-pairs... so I've calculated my odds and decided that it is smart to fold when I have no previous knowledge about the player. How did you play those hands when you was in micro-stakes, I would appreciate the wisdom of that. I know that THEY NEVER FOLD that and I don't want to be donk and call on trips. How to play that vs a player who I don't know anything about?
Maybe, the question is stupid, but I'm under the influence of the thoughts that there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.

@dockhazard
I play on FT, my bankroll varies and I play for a while now within boundaries of proper BR-management and I don't go beyond that, only the lowest stakes possible and that would be 0.01/0.02 cash games. I don't use any applications and I play one table at the time.
I sincerely hope that we will advance to the next boat and try to play good poker.

what were the betting sizes in that AJ hand? cuz it seems to me that when you 4bet, if you followed your 2/3 of the pot rule, you kinda commited to the pot. and what was the board texture? was there a flush draw? in that case did you have a backdoor flush draw if so just call the 3bet.
if you did the right bet sizing ur commited if you made a weak 4bet...what hapens if he just calls??? (cuz i would call with a set, no need to go all in with a set if there is no FD on the table) do you have a strategy for the turn??

i feel like you play too agresivly...you said in the start of the topic that you like to 3-bet and 4bet but on NL2...why? and from the last hand you do that with marginal hands...just to get a read.
micro players dont understand preflop play...so 4 beting preflop means allin. do it only with premium hands and bet the pot size.
on the flop...if he 3bets you he's probably going allin on 4bet or calling allin on later streets...

play at least 2 tables, cuz one table is too smal sample to see if your game is ok...maybe ur just sitting at the wrong table. even for starters (wich you arent) i advice 4 tables. (keeps your mind on the game, and you dont overthink)

maybe i'm wrong in my thoughts, if so let me know ppl.

Originally posted by Meda1985
Nicely spoken!
I like slow-players, and this hand was obvious mark of one of those.
pre-flop: he raises, I 55 call
flop: A67 - he raises, I'm thinking (I over-thought again) he's just c-betting, I re-raise, he calls
turn: 8 - I want to know if he has that ace or MAYBE some other trips so I raise even though I have straight draw (I KNOW he doesn't have 9T, maybe AT, but 9T NO WAY) and I'm waiting to see if he thinks I all-ready have one, he just calls
river: 4 - I check, he goes all-in I call, he shows AA
The same play as the one I lost half of BI I won now the whole BI. So, I think that even with fishes yo have to be consistent and play the way poker is supposed to be played, but with exceptions. Of course I would have check-folded because I was sure he had A if anything else hit the board, because I knew I couldn't bluff him out of the pot, maybe I would play 9, but MAYBE!
Thanks mate for helping my game, I appreciate it!

Am I misunderstanding? You like "slow-players" because of that hand? You had 5% equity on the flop, 18% equity on the turn. You probably didn't make enough on the river to pay for all the times you will miss.

Uh, nice hand.

@iRozi54
All bets were 3-bets and 2/3-pot-bets. I don't remember exactly, but I think there was no flush draw, only straight, and most of the flops have some sort of the straight draw. I've taken that hand only as an example, there was many of hands like that one. Thanks for the advice, but I've multi-tabled before and I've lost most of my bankroll that way (bad beat, tilt and voila). I don't care about the time I break micro-stakes, I just want consistency in BR-growth and advancement will come... I think.
In that AJ hand as I remember, I invested about 1/3 of my chips and the other guy had about the same stack as I did. He played few hands before and like earned about quarter of initial BI.

@Elroch
I like slow-players because they tend to suck out, and they are usually "donks" that will play their top-pair till the end. This hand is an example. Without that ace on the flop I wouldn't have read his hand (of course I thought it was just pair), but he would have gone all the way if he only had that pair (with no ace on the board). You know what I'm talking about?

Originally posted by Meda1985
Well, there is for sure some major leak in my game! I would be constant wining player if there wasn't... But I don't use no applications. I don't go there... I remember my hands and think about what have I done wrong in them when I'm not playing. When I lose money from somebody who played like a "donk" I note him, especially if they run away to another table and I get my money back 50% of the time, but sometimes, they lose it before I get the chance of getting it back... And I really think there is no obvious pattern when I'm losing (all crap happens: I suck out, I try to bluff a "donk", I get a monster when somebody gets even stronger monster like better set on the flop and I play "smart" and sometimes fold high pairs with a kicker when somebody is going all-in after raise, re-raise, re-raise on the flop*), but tilt and "fancy" play are most probable reasons.
About that *, I've put it there in order to ask you about that-
-When I play a hand like this: AJ on me in late-mid pos. and call or two after me, I hit J on the flop and there is like 5 and 8 too, I raise, get re-raised, I re-raise and he goes all-in... I usually fold that when I have no idea what kind of a player he is, is that smart or not??? Also, when I'm in position I've seen so many check/raise bluffs from them when I'm in position... I've noticed them go all-in with top pairs with no kicker but as I call that I see them with trips as much as I don't and when I don't see them with trips there are idiots with J 7 and there are draws in which I suck out in like 30% of the time when I called and don't forget slow-played over-pairs... so I've calculated my odds and decided that it is smart to fold when I have no previous knowledge about the player. How did you play those hands when you was in micro-stakes, I would appreciate the wisdom of that. I know that THEY NEVER FOLD that and I don't want to be donk and call on trips. How to play that vs a player who I don't know anything about?
Maybe, the question is stupid, but I'm under the influence of the thoughts that there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.

Well it's been a long time since I stop playing NLHE and went to PLO, but I quite see what is happening. Maybe you are going too aggressive on your opponents and are also commiting a lot of money on hands that are not that great to go against the "standard opponent's" going-broke range. In this particular example, it was OK to c-bet your top pair because of obvious reasons like "checking behind and seeing a Q and a lead on the turn would be bad". But once he check-raises, why 4-bet? Can't he have a set or two-pair? Can't he be bluffing? By just calling his raise you force him to "play honest" especially when he is OOP. If he insists in the aggro stuff, just fold and take note. You don't need to win every pot with every TPTK you get at at these stakes. You can add a lot more of thinking as you go beyond NL200, but before this... just take it easy. You might even be able to see a free river after the turn goes check-check or a free showdown just in case he actually has a weaker holding like JT or KJ.

I also noticed that you "probe" quite expensively. In more than one post I saw that you often raise people just to see if they are bluffing or not. If it is a bluff, they fold (that might be the reasoning). But without going further into the hands themselves, do you even realize how much you can be losing when doing this too often? It is OK against a regular you see every day at the tables, but not against the majority of the opponents. Think about it.

His check-raise remembered me about the strategies taught at that $1800 book "Let There Be Range". It has only 80 pages so I read it 3 times when I was playing NLHE and found out that this particular check-raise is total standard in the high stakes, once from the perspective of the aggressor (your opponent) the majority of the bettor's range (you, in this case) does not include a J and is filled with lower pairs like TT or 99 and below. That book is awesome and has a lot of new stuff, but that can be a dangerous knowledge at the micros because it can lead you to overthinking far too frequently. Of course I didn't buy it eheheh... torrents are available... ah... around. ♦

So.. beware not to invest a lot of your stack with less than two-pair at these limits. It doesn't mean you have to fold top pair all the time, tough.

IMO there is a kind of sixth sense that better players develop.

It's an ability to correctly gauge your opponents hand ranges and is the hardest thing to for a new player to learn - it certainly confounds me!