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TheLegend142
Joined: 21.09.2007

Hi Jared,

I glad you joined ps.com. I am a fan of your work since your videos on stox. Unfortunately I just working on my mental game right now. But your book and videos helped me a lot especially to recognise the small improvements i would not recognise otherwise.

I really like your book so far! (And btw thank you again for the really fast answers concerning the shipping issues)


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Why is it that it gets so much harder to make even relatively easy decisions when you're losing and running badly compared to when you're up and running good? What's the thing that changes in our thought process? Is it just being too optimistic? Maybe that's not a question that can be answered without knowing the person but hopefully you can give your thoughts on this subject.


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blackops888
Joined: 25.04.2010

Hey Jared... just wanted to thank you for the tips! Keep up the good work!!


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Questions:

Since you're very good at the mental part of the game, have you ever considered playing poker and focusing on earning a lot of money on it? or are you actually doing that already?

How would you handle friends/family members who still have a negative understanding/view of the game? In the long run, i know their support is also crucial to one's success. But how can one handle them? (i don't know if it is ok to ask this question because the topic is now about relationships)

I'm happy with all the thoughts and advises you've shared here. I think you're doing a really really great job!!!!!!!!!! :)

Oh last question, i would love to purchase your book so much, but during the purchase option, there's nothing for "Philippines". so how can i buy your great book? :)


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WOW, what a great thread....I tilt like a tilty thing on a tilty stick with tilty legs...im quite highly strung anyway and have learned when not go nuts in normal life, but i have the old problems come back when i play poker. I cant afford anymore Lap tops....So thank you Sir Jared for your input and time in this thread. Think you have saved me a fortune, shame your not female as a proposal would follow....lol

Oh and by the way the sex thing.......thats for real......Not with you Sir Jared...


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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

Originally posted by YinYangS
Questions:

Since you're very good at the mental part of the game, have you ever considered playing poker and focusing on earning a lot of money on it? or are you actually doing that already?

How would you handle friends/family members who still have a negative understanding/view of the game? In the long run, i know their support is also crucial to one's success. But how can one handle them? (i don't know if it is ok to ask this question because the topic is now about relationships)

I'm happy with all the thoughts and advises you've shared here. I think you're doing a really really great job!!!!!!!!!! :)

Oh last question, i would love to purchase your book so much, but during the purchase option, there's nothing for "Philippines". so how can i buy your great book? :)

Some really great questions coming guys, keep them coming, Jared might not be able to answer them every day but he intends to answer them all, the more the better.

Regarding friends and family, I have been there my friend. Some advice from my own experience:

Dont push too hard trying to convince them its 'not gambling' - you will only come across as a crazy gambler.

Then really take some time actually showing them what you do - show them graphs, game selection, hold'em manager, the time you spend working on your game - show them all the 'business' side of things.

Jared as a poker player? lol (sorry Jared). I actually think one of his greatest strengths is he is an outsider looking in on poker. That said, we have discussed this and it may happen one day, he has so many world class clients who could teach him, he could probably crush.

In answer to your Phillipines question, I am suprised that option is not on the website. I will get that fixed. Until then if you have Neteller/Paypal/Moneybookers I can set up a manual payment and send the book myself? Email me on barry@mentalgameofpoker.com and I will sort it out for you.


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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

Hi Jared,

I have a question regarding running good / bad and how we play when it happens.

Unlike many people (from what I have read) I think I tend to play better when I am on a losing session/running bad.

e.g after an hour of play I am down let's say 2 stacks (I know I shouldn't check the results while playing but I can't :( ). Then I am like "ok come on Max let's get back on track" and I start focusing 200%, analyzing fully all the info, explaining all my moves etc...

Instead when I am winning/running hot I might relax more, lose focus a bit, play some draws that I shouldn't play, play to aggro in some spots etc....

Do you have any thoughts on this?

Edit: In fact if I look at my life time graph I usually have a downswing (or more accurately me playing bad) after running good.


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Originally posted by Dublimax
Hi Jared,

I have a question regarding running good / bad and how we play when it happens.

Unlike many people (from what I have read) I think I tend to play better when I am on a losing session/running bad.

e.g after an hour of play I am down let's say 2 stacks (I know I shouldn't check the results while playing but I can't :( ). Then I am like "ok come on Max let's get back on track" and I start focusing 200%, analyzing fully all the info, explaining all my moves etc...

Instead when I am winning/running hot I might relax more, lose focus a bit, play some draws that I shouldn't play, play to aggro in some spots etc....

Do you have any thoughts on this?

Edit: In fact if I look at my life time graph I usually have a downswing (or more accurately me playing bad) after running good.

Yes, yes, yes. This is me too. Will be interested to hear an answer to this.


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BarryCarter
Joined: 13.01.2011

Originally posted by YinYangS
Questions:

Oh last question, i would love to purchase your book so much, but during the purchase option, there's nothing for "Philippines". so how can i buy your great book? :)

Actually just realised you can also get it on amazon which should solve any problems with our website

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0615436137/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_UXM7nb1YP6KBD


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Originally posted by daveshoelace

Originally posted by YinYangS
Questions:

Oh last question, i would love to purchase your book so much, but during the purchase option, there's nothing for "Philippines". so how can i buy your great book? :)

Actually just realised you can also get it on amazon which should solve any problems with our website

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0615436137/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_UXM7nb1YP6KBD

oh, i thought it was exclusively bought from you guys. thanks! :)


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Hello

what do you mean by saying "talented guy"?
What edge do they have?
Hard Working? Thinking? Something with Psichology or what?


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by Toothless32
Hello,

I also beg for advice. I don´t like loosing like everyone else, have also some smaller problems with tilt and stuff, however I have much bigger problems with winning. If i win some bigger amount of bi´s than I expected I begin to have big problems to continue playing, I think it´s because I don´t want to spoil my mood and also want to quit that day so I have feeling that it was successful day. I think I don´t even play my A-game when I am winning a lot. I was thinking of setting some play schedule so I would play regardless of results or setting some very very tight stop loss limit after session like this however I would really like to get rid of this problem cause its preventing me from putting in volume.... (I am winning player on my limit so playing is definitely +EV.)

I would also like to ask if one can become a great poker player without love to gambling, cause I think I don´t have it and somehow I consider it to be sort of leak, also its probably partly reason of my problem,

Thanks a lot for answer....

If I'm understanding the problem correctly, I think the solution here is to actual fix how much losing bothers you. The reason I say that is, I suspect that if you were to keep playing after being up a bunch of BI's, and then were to lose, that would be a big problem. If that's happened regularly in the past, now when you're winning you get protective. And perhaps even have some small anxieties, or fears about losing money back because of how much losing bothers you.

Just think, if you didn't have them, then it's likely that a chunk (maybe not all) of your problem winning would be solved.

I wouldn't suggest setting a schedule to force yourself to play through it. That's only a good strategy if you know what's causing the problem and are working towards fixing it. Otherwise, you run the risk of making things a lot worse.

Regarding fixing the problem. Hating to lose, or even just not liking it, is not a reality for all players. What is it for you that makes it hard?

If my assumption about losing being the cause here is off, post some more details about why you want to lock up winning. I know you mention that you want to feel successful - but how are you defining that? Is it only based on money? or is it also based on how well you play?

Regarding being a great player without a love to gamble. I guess it depends on the definition of gambling - my take is that gambling is when you're an underdog looking to get lucky. In that way, Poker as it's played now is not about gambling at all. It's about pushing edges and managing risk. Sometimes risk is hard to calculate and so it seems like gambling. I think to be a top poker player you at least need a deep love/passion for the game and that means there are times where you have to take risks that will end up being gambles, but ahead of time you couldn't have known. So thinking out loud here, I'd say you need to get better at gambling, but I don't think you need to be crazy.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by TobyCS
Is Jared still answering questions?

Will/do you offer group coaching? Or possibly seminars which cover various topics. I think it would be a good option to maybe prepare a presintation and then a Q and A session towards the end from the people in the coaching/seminar.

Hey Toby - I think Barry mentioned in another post that I'll be here as frequently as I can. Mostly likely not every day, but I'll do my best to get here at min every other day.

Group coaching is something I'm looking into doing in exactly the format you've suggested. I've had a few inquiries about it, and if there's a lot of interest, I can push up the timeline on when I can make it happen. At the moment, I have a ton on my daily plate. All good stuff, though, I love what I do, so this is the kind of busy I like (didn't want to sound like I'm complaining).


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Can you release your book for Kindle a.s.a.p. please? I only read stuff on my Kindle now. Paper is just sooooooo 20th century.

I know, I have fallen behind the times. Honestly, the ebook market changed a lot in the last 5 months, and I was so focused on putting out a great book, that I haven't had a chance to get it done. It'll happen, now just a question of when - and I'd bet in the next 2-4 months for sure.

Thanks. I hope us PS members can get a discount on that too. :f_biggrin:

I'm sure that can be arranged


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by pleno1
You've helped alot. Thankyou, my favourite ever thread on PS. :)

Awesome! Love to hear that.


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by THESHade

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by THESHade
Hey,
I am reading the book and I rly like the "inchworm" theory. It makes a lot of sense to me
One Q though, Is this concept discussed further in the book cause when I thought about it then my current approach to studying might be wrong? (I am jsut on chapter 4-answering some Qs)
Thnx

Glad to hear the concept of Inchworm, really hit home. To me, it's such an important (obviously oddly named) concept, that helps to make the complex process of improving really easy.

Just adding briefly to what Barry mentioned, what about your current approach to studying do you think is off?

Well, I always watch new vids (not rly re-watching old ones) I didnt even take notes when I was watching smth (now I do) and I am always relying on my brain to remember stuff (not just in poker, in every-day life -I take it as some kidn of challenge, or not even a challenge but smth I am sued to and is part of me not wanting "outside" help or smth)

Now I try to take notes through vids and watch even osme vids that might not contain new (or at least not a lot of new info) just to kind of review some stuff
My rough schedule for this month is playingh 4 hours and studying 4 hours(Watching vids, reviewing, reading forums, etc.) (so far it was less cause I feel a bit sick + some technical difficulties)
I dont know if this is too much? maybe it will hurt my "left side" of the inchworm?

Also whenever I take more then (lets say) 2 days off I feel not that confident in my game, thats prob. normal for most people I guess?

Good to hear you're taking notes through videos now, but I think in general you're putting too much pressure on the thinking part of your brain, or as I say in the book - Conscious Competence (the degree of knowledge that you have to think about to be good). The reason I strongly suspect that is your last statement. My sense is that you lose confidence after a few days off because you have to dig the newer knowledge out of your head, and it's too far back there to get at. So you end up relying on the momentum of a lot of play to keep all this new info fresh in your head. Once that momentum stops, it takes a lot of effort to get it rolling again.

That's one of the consequences of having a wide range in your skill set as Inchworm describes.

The most simple way of correcting this problem is to do the exercise on page 213, where you write out, in detail, the greatest weaknesses in your game. All these mistakes, the ones you make when you come back from a few days off, have not been mastered. Which means, that you are still in the process of learning them. While they may seem very basic and obvious, and you may think are mastered. Just by making them means you haven't mastered them.

The reason this is relevant is that your greatest weaknesses are essentially keeping the back end of your bell curve/inchworm in place. Your worst cannot improve, until you master these parts of your game. So, every single day you work on your game, ever day you play, make sure you review them and never make them. Do that consistently, especially after coming back from a break, and eventually they'll become mastered, and you can move on to your next greatest weakness, and repeat the process.

Does this make sense? Help?


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Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by THESHade

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by THESHade
Hey,
I am reading the book and I rly like the "inchworm" theory. It makes a lot of sense to me
One Q though, Is this concept discussed further in the book cause when I thought about it then my current approach to studying might be wrong? (I am jsut on chapter 4-answering some Qs)
Thnx

Glad to hear the concept of Inchworm, really hit home. To me, it's such an important (obviously oddly named) concept, that helps to make the complex process of improving really easy.

Just adding briefly to what Barry mentioned, what about your current approach to studying do you think is off?

Well, I always watch new vids (not rly re-watching old ones) I didnt even take notes when I was watching smth (now I do) and I am always relying on my brain to remember stuff (not just in poker, in every-day life -I take it as some kidn of challenge, or not even a challenge but smth I am sued to and is part of me not wanting "outside" help or smth)

Now I try to take notes through vids and watch even osme vids that might not contain new (or at least not a lot of new info) just to kind of review some stuff
My rough schedule for this month is playingh 4 hours and studying 4 hours(Watching vids, reviewing, reading forums, etc.) (so far it was less cause I feel a bit sick + some technical difficulties)
I dont know if this is too much? maybe it will hurt my "left side" of the inchworm?

Also whenever I take more then (lets say) 2 days off I feel not that confident in my game, thats prob. normal for most people I guess?

Good to hear you're taking notes through videos now, but I think in general you're putting too much pressure on the thinking part of your brain, or as I say in the book - Conscious Competence (the degree of knowledge that you have to think about to be good). The reason I strongly suspect that is your last statement. My sense is that you lose confidence after a few days off because you have to dig the newer knowledge out of your head, and it's too far back there to get at. So you end up relying on the momentum of a lot of play to keep all this new info fresh in your head. Once that momentum stops, it takes a lot of effort to get it rolling again.

That's one of the consequences of having a wide range in your skill set as Inchworm describes.

The most simple way of correcting this problem is to do the exercise on page 213, where you write out, in detail, the greatest weaknesses in your game. All these mistakes, the ones you make when you come back from a few days off, have not been mastered. Which means, that you are still in the process of learning them. While they may seem very basic and obvious, and you may think are mastered. Just by making them means you haven't mastered them.

The reason this is relevant is that your greatest weaknesses are essentially keeping the back end of your bell curve/inchworm in place. Your worst cannot improve, until you master these parts of your game. So, every single day you work on your game, ever day you play, make sure you review them and never make them. Do that consistently, especially after coming back from a break, and eventually they'll become mastered, and you can move on to your next greatest weakness, and repeat the process.

Does this make sense? Help?

Thnx, will deffo try that.
Yup, it makes sense + its logical so I like it :)
Will report later


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by Helipacter

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by Helipacter
Okay, this question could be a bit fluffy:

What tips/tools/advice can you offer a player that is tilting, knows it, but won't leave the table. (Fortunately, it doesn't happen so often to me, but when it does it's like a tractor beam, and all roads lead to to the kingdom of Busto.)

In my experience, the following scenarios have occurred:

1) I normally set myself a hand limit for the session (say 200), on hand 180 I get a bad beat, and I feel the evil rise. After a while I "wake up" on, say, hand 300. I realise that I've spent the passed 120 hands wishing cancer on the guy whilst still trying to recoup some losses, but I cannot leave the table.

2) If I get one-outed by some bum, I immediately leave the table and say "no poker for 24hours". Two hours later I'm back at my desk raging at the world.

I'm fully aware that I know I'm steaming (temples pulsing), but I can't snap out of it.

So, long story short, how does a person get their mind off a bad session whilst still in a tilt-funk?

Cheers

There's nothing fluffy about this question - unless we have different definitions of fluffy:)

The only way to correct this type of tilt is to do a lot of work away from the table to break down your Accumulated Tilt (or so I call it). Basically, in your mind, you have have collected anger/tilt over the years and now whenever you have a bad beat, or suck-out, it's like your mind is instantly flooded with emotion. So much emotion, that it overwhelms your mind and you lose control. Frankly, it's nearly impossible for you to be in control when the emotion is that strong.

The reason is that thinking is essentially how the mind maintains control. However, when emotions rise too high, they shut down the mind, and prevent you from being about to think, and thus maintain emotional control.

Which is why your job is to do work away from the table to break down this accumulated emotion, so they're is less of it to deal with and thus easier to maintain control. AND then you need to also get better at maintaining control during your session.

I'll be honest, this is the most difficult thing to accomplish in the mental game. The work you do off the table, has to be taken with the seriousness as though you're preparing for a poker life/death situation. I'm happy to help you work through some of it in the forum. If you can afford it, I'd definitely recommend getting my book, it's designed to help clearly lay out how to address a problem like this. Then, my help in the forum, would be much more productive.

Either way, what is is about a bad beat/suck out that causes you to get so angry?

Sorry, the post began fluffy, but became concrete, so I should've changed the first line - my bad!

Thanks for the offer, though I'm speaking more in general than specifics. I've definitely had these emotions at the beginning of my "poker career", but now I can recognise them brewing away and shut down before they get too much (thank you Tommy Angelo!). The greatest anti-tilt tactic ever: click "leave table" and go and do something productive (cooking or gardening are great for this!). If I'm on the end of consecutive bad beats, I run, not walk, to the exits!

My worst "tilt habit" is chasing losses; say I'm 5BB down, I'll stay a little longer than optimal - but again, this is something I'm working on.

I suppose I should've phrased my argument better. Basically, are there any tips to talk yourself out of playing under a cloud of tilt, or is it merely a case of recognising it, and convincing yourself that you're wasting your time? (This isn't exclusively tilt either, but sleep, hunger, drink - sub-optimal is sub optimal, I suppose tilt is the worst because there can be a sense of shame attached to it - you've always lost to a moron, right?!.)

Whilst I'm not immune from tilt (who is?), I wouldn't say that I play in an angry state of mind. I realise that I give someone the satisfaction of seeing me leave immediately following their one-outer on the river, but I do take satisfaction in the fact that they're not getting any more of my BBs.

(Apologies for the wall of text!)

:) no worries.

There are things you can do beyond recognizing it, but the next step is definitely the more complex part. Recognition is a huge first step - you have no chance of the second one with it out it.

You're on the right track with convincing yourself, but what is important is the specifics of what you're convincing yourself of. See, the anger that you're experiencing, even if it's at low levels is happening for a reason (Btw, there are tons of players who tilt in subtle ways that still affect their performance). What you want to say to yourself is a correction in the flaw causing the anger.

Figuring out the underlying cause of your anger can take a little bit of digging, but once you find the cause of your anger, the correction to it is what you want to say to yourself. You need to make sure that you're saying in the moments when tilt begins to show itself, and then you need to force yourself to playing longer.

I know that goes against your current strategy of quitting at the first sign of tilt, but ultimately, if you want to solve your tilt problem - and believe me there are many many clients of mine who have solved it - you need to be able to control your tilt, while at the table. Quitting is not a real solution, it's a way of managing tilt.

Does this help?


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JaredTendler
Joined: 16.05.2011

Originally posted by suaveplayer
Hello Jared.

I have two questions:

1- I have this problem which is not exactly tilt (even though I still have a lot of tilt problems), or at least, not the tilt I experience when in other circumstances.

I play Heads Up SNGs at the 100 USD level , and I noticed that during night time I play much worse than my normal game, especially after 9:00PM. I had a feeling that this is true and decided to use Holdem Manager to check, and I found I was correct I´m a losing player after around 9:00 (-6%) but I´m a winner during the rest of the day. And it´s not only poker related, I feel that the closest it is to bedtime the worse my mind functions, I notice this even in social situations because it´s not uncommon for me to struggle for words around 12:00PM. It probably is somewhat like this for everybody but I feel it is much worse for me than for everybody else.

The problem is that there are a lot of soft games during this time, but my play is so much worse (I´m still learning a lot so not too much learned to the unconcious level)that the fish end up having an edge on me.

So, what can I do about this? One thing I know is that stuff like coffee or RedBull doesn´t work for me, I just get more agitated and stay awake longer, but my mental clarity doesnt improve, quite the opposite.

2- You know when you have these short periods of time where you feel you are at your best intellectually? High mental clarity?

I feel I get these only a few hours a month, and well, would like to know how to make these more frequent.

I feel like I eat decently and I run two times a week (not going to the gym now because I lack the time really), so what can I do else?

Hi!

Do you mind answering a few questions first, there are a few more details I'd like to have before giving you an answer. Regarding f#1 - what's your schedule like during the day? How many days do you play/week? How many hours/games?

Regarding #2 - What's it like for you during the times when you're not at your mental peak? Does it feel as though most other times things get jumbled in your head? Or like it's a messy desk and hard to navigate your thoughts? The simple way to be at your peak more is to remove the things that take you out of it. So, any details you can give to describe what it's like to not less than 100% mentally will help me understand the cause of it.


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Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by Helipacter

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by Helipacter
Okay, this question could be a bit fluffy:

What tips/tools/advice can you offer a player that is tilting, knows it, but won't leave the table. (Fortunately, it doesn't happen so often to me, but when it does it's like a tractor beam, and all roads lead to to the kingdom of Busto.)

In my experience, the following scenarios have occurred:

1) I normally set myself a hand limit for the session (say 200), on hand 180 I get a bad beat, and I feel the evil rise. After a while I "wake up" on, say, hand 300. I realise that I've spent the passed 120 hands wishing cancer on the guy whilst still trying to recoup some losses, but I cannot leave the table.

2) If I get one-outed by some bum, I immediately leave the table and say "no poker for 24hours". Two hours later I'm back at my desk raging at the world.

I'm fully aware that I know I'm steaming (temples pulsing), but I can't snap out of it.

So, long story short, how does a person get their mind off a bad session whilst still in a tilt-funk?

Cheers

There's nothing fluffy about this question - unless we have different definitions of fluffy:)

The only way to correct this type of tilt is to do a lot of work away from the table to break down your Accumulated Tilt (or so I call it). Basically, in your mind, you have have collected anger/tilt over the years and now whenever you have a bad beat, or suck-out, it's like your mind is instantly flooded with emotion. So much emotion, that it overwhelms your mind and you lose control. Frankly, it's nearly impossible for you to be in control when the emotion is that strong.

The reason is that thinking is essentially how the mind maintains control. However, when emotions rise too high, they shut down the mind, and prevent you from being about to think, and thus maintain emotional control.

Which is why your job is to do work away from the table to break down this accumulated emotion, so they're is less of it to deal with and thus easier to maintain control. AND then you need to also get better at maintaining control during your session.

I'll be honest, this is the most difficult thing to accomplish in the mental game. The work you do off the table, has to be taken with the seriousness as though you're preparing for a poker life/death situation. I'm happy to help you work through some of it in the forum. If you can afford it, I'd definitely recommend getting my book, it's designed to help clearly lay out how to address a problem like this. Then, my help in the forum, would be much more productive.

Either way, what is is about a bad beat/suck out that causes you to get so angry?

Sorry, the post began fluffy, but became concrete, so I should've changed the first line - my bad!

Thanks for the offer, though I'm speaking more in general than specifics. I've definitely had these emotions at the beginning of my "poker career", but now I can recognise them brewing away and shut down before they get too much (thank you Tommy Angelo!). The greatest anti-tilt tactic ever: click "leave table" and go and do something productive (cooking or gardening are great for this!). If I'm on the end of consecutive bad beats, I run, not walk, to the exits!

My worst "tilt habit" is chasing losses; say I'm 5BB down, I'll stay a little longer than optimal - but again, this is something I'm working on.

I suppose I should've phrased my argument better. Basically, are there any tips to talk yourself out of playing under a cloud of tilt, or is it merely a case of recognising it, and convincing yourself that you're wasting your time? (This isn't exclusively tilt either, but sleep, hunger, drink - sub-optimal is sub optimal, I suppose tilt is the worst because there can be a sense of shame attached to it - you've always lost to a moron, right?!.)

Whilst I'm not immune from tilt (who is?), I wouldn't say that I play in an angry state of mind. I realise that I give someone the satisfaction of seeing me leave immediately following their one-outer on the river, but I do take satisfaction in the fact that they're not getting any more of my BBs.

(Apologies for the wall of text!)

:) no worries.

There are things you can do beyond recognizing it, but the next step is definitely the more complex part. Recognition is a huge first step - you have no chance of the second one with it out it.

You're on the right track with convincing yourself, but what is important is the specifics of what you're convincing yourself of. See, the anger that you're experiencing, even if it's at low levels is happening for a reason (Btw, there are tons of players who tilt in subtle ways that still affect their performance). What you want to say to yourself is a correction in the flaw causing the anger.

Figuring out the underlying cause of your anger can take a little bit of digging, but once you find the cause of your anger, the correction to it is what you want to say to yourself. You need to make sure that you're saying in the moments when tilt begins to show itself, and then you need to force yourself to playing longer.

I know that goes against your current strategy of quitting at the first sign of tilt, but ultimately, if you want to solve your tilt problem - and believe me there are many many clients of mine who have solved it - you need to be able to control your tilt, while at the table. Quitting is not a real solution, it's a way of managing tilt.

Does this help?

Hi Jared,

Hmmm... this is getting interesting.

Tilt, in my opinion, is entirely ego-based; I see it as being linked with how you perceive yourself , and how others perceive you. If you lose a hand to an inferior player, or you realise that you have a hole in your game through which someone else has driven a truck, it's obvious that something will begin to brew.

As an example of why I think it's ego based: you never feel as bad when you've realised you've missed value on a river bet as you do when you call a guy's river donk because you "just had to see". In the first instance, only you know you've made a mistake, in the second everyone knows (assuming everyone is watching).

I'm not sure why we should feel angry - these people you're playing don't mean anything to you, so who cares what they think? And if you've lost a hand through bad play, then you're not as great as you think you are, so get to work on that leak.

The next time I tilt, I'll follow your advice and try and work through it at the table. I imagine that to do so, you need to breakdown the anger, and find the root of it.

Additionally, I've used some of the techniques mentioned in the Silver psychology articles on here, which kind of "occupy your mind" and move it away from the tilt, which works for me also.

Thanks again!


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