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How skilled are players at higher limits?

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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

Hi guys! It makes sense, that the higher the limit you play, the more knowledgeable and skilled players you will play against... What about the players who are commonly referred to as fish, which limit is the one where the number of less skilled players is virtually zero? What are your experiences?

I play NL2 after a 10 year break and I see that the general game quality is definitely higher, than it used to have been on this level (e.g. people obeying the starting hand rules, bet sizing and so forth...)


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I think there is is a common mistake that all of us low-stakes regulars make.
That mistake is assuming that all of the players at higher stakes are better than we are.
This isn't necessarily so -- they have more money, and they are able to take greater risks, and the regulars certainly are better players.
The problem is that when you take your first shot at the higher limit, you don't know who the regulars are

It takes time to find out, and to find out, you need to take a shot.
When you take your shot, you will put at risk double the money per hand that you risked at the lower stake, and this can be hard at first.

However if you play a bit tighter than you did, in the right places, and a bit looser than you did -- also in the right places -- you'll do fine.

Here are some things I noticed from my (failed) shots at higher limits:
:diamond:  Players steal more
:diamond:  Players defend more
:diamond:  Players are more aggressive
:diamond:  Players NEVER limp, and if they do -- esp from early positions, they are trapping.
:diamond:  Players play more suited connectors than in lower limits
:diamond:  Players play fewer A-rag type hands, unless suited.

That's all I can remember for now.
I would be nice if some real NL 100 players could offer us some of their insights too...

:diamond:  Standard ranges include


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

There are recreational players on all limits. Of course ratio of regs to other players will get worse and worse. Though reg is also relative term as there can be also bad regs.

But in general if there are only decent or better regs on table then it will be bad table for everyone. This tend to create bad poker environment where regs have little point to play each other (barely beating rake even if having some edge) and known recreational or unknown player suddenly have full table when they sit in. Referred as bum hunting.

Some sites might battle this with zoom games or anonymous tables etc.

Of course these so called recreational players tend to be often somewhat better than ones in smaller stakes. Not always though.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Volpo and ghal are correct.

There are Rec players at every level.

The biggest difference I see in regs at nl100 are:

1. Lots more aggression - 3 bets preflop and c betting flop and turn. Check raising
2. Value betting- make better value bets
3. Decision making- when to give up on a hand.
4. Bluffing spots.. regs are better with range play, knowing which cards are better for his hands vs your hand range..

But in the end... if you are running hot!! It all doesn’t matter.. but when you run bad it can feel like your house is collapsing in on you.


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kaspariuxas
Joined: 14.03.2011

I totally agree with Mkablo here, these are the main 4 things that separate the best-skilled poker players from everyone else.


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