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Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Chowchow12

I don't want to sound results orientated but the board being connected was kind of scarey, the villian was pretty tight though, raising from CO, arg 68 and T8 get the strainght and a then .25 of his suited range gets the fd. But turn I might have been able to get another bet. Kind of hoping he might get it in with his over pairs. Not sure, going to post it.

In poker the best of hands is no good at all, unless someone in the hand has something slightly worse.

How many times have you raised AA and picked up only the blinds.

On that board, not raising gives him a cheap card.
Do you WANT to let him see a cheap turn and a river with his AhKh?
Make him pay to see those cards.

Not only that, but raising there also makes it look like YOU have the flush draw, and perhaps has over- (and even under-) pairs might come along for a street.

Post a link to the hand evaluation -- I'm curious!

Best of luck,
--VS


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010

If they fold often when you have the nuts, you are not bluffing enough. If you bluff more and they still fold way too much, bluff more. Finding the right ratio is tough there, not thinking what would be the right play.

I think raising there is fine, calling is also good. You are not concerned so much about him having a draw. Yes he can have a draw but his range is not only draws and sets. With position you can still play well and if you were very passive so far, you might consider calling.


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Chowchow12
Joined: 04.06.2012

Originally posted by EmanuelC16
If they fold often when you have the nuts, you are not bluffing enough. If you bluff more and they still fold way too much, bluff more. Finding the right ratio is tough there, not thinking what would be the right play.

Noted, I know I said I was going to post a bunch of hands this morning, but I slept in. So it will be the first thing I do when I get home. I will post some of my barreling, and check raising in the hand evaluations and will link them here. While I think I am finding some good spots to bluff, I am thinking that I am not seeing the whole picture on the idea.

Edit: Also saw I broke 1k views nice to know that the blog isn't too boring :P


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Chowchow12
Joined: 04.06.2012

Volume still in the shitter, same reasons as above. Here are a few of my barreling hands

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $7.51 (150.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.11 (102.2 bb)
BB: $6.42 (128.4 bb)
UTG: $2.52 (50.4 bb)
MP: $23.23 (464.6 bb)
CO: $12.50 (250 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB folds, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) A T 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, CO calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.25) T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, CO folds

Here I 3bet as a bluff, and when he calls I am pretty sure he would be 4betting with AK, KK, KQ. So I think his range is something like AQs AJs JJ KQ broadways etc I felt like with my A6s I would be having reverse implied odds against AQ AJ, so I decided to barrel like I had AK. I am really not sure if this was a mistake, or what. I realized I turned my hand into a bluff, and I think in this situation it might have been a mistake. Villian was on the titgher side, but would raise his nuts. I just felt like he is going to hit a marginal hand here, I decided to aim to get him off hands that beat me other than to get value from under pairs, who I don't think would have given me too much value anyway.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $9.20 (184 bb)
UTG: $3.97 (79.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $5.03 (100.6 bb)
CO: $5.57 (111.4 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)
SB: $4.47 (89.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6 A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) 7 5 K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.75) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

River: ($1.75) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB folds

Here is another hand, this was a looser passive player, but with a af high enough to where I think he would be raising the nuts. Again I felt my range could easily rep a AK KQ etc type hand. My river bet was Huuge though. I really think that was over kill. I don' t know if it was a plus EV bluff, but the 2nd king coming I just decided I needed to keep my story consistent so I bet big. I use to bet pretty big like this with TPTK hands (against this player type) and I kept getting folds, so I guess I went with what experience told me would get him to fold. Though I think long term (I.e where it matters) that bet sizing is probly -EV. taking another look at this I think the range hits a lot of mid pairs etc, so shaking him off a 7x or mid PP would make this a good spot to barrel, still not sure about my river sizing

I also don't like that these hands have no equity. That's something I am not really a fan of, and I think if I keep doing that it's going to be bad news bears.

I would also like to add I am posting the hands that I think I am making mistakes in for people to see, I am really not too ashamed of showing my mistakes anymore..I think it will help people learn why they are bad.

Thoughts, comments, criticisms, calling me a noob, all welcome. Whatever will help me learn.

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Chowchow12
Joined: 04.06.2012

Well the last few days have sure been interesting. I think this whole experience of learning poker is something I can relate to learning how to snowboard.

When I want to progress in something very quick I get boarder line obsession, when I was 13 I decided I wanted to learn to snowboard, and while on a trip to a ski resort in Banff Alberta, I decided I was going to learn it then. So I rented a snowboard, signed up for a lesson and was ready to go. The Australian who was my instructor was probably a little hung over from partying the night before, because he basically showed me this is how you slide turn, go do it! Really no idea what I was doing I spent the next 30 minutes falling every 6 feet while my instructor watched, saw me fall, and would say it's all about feel, try to stand up straighter. 30 minutes in I felt like I was making no progress consistently falling and having no idea what I needed to change other than standing up straighter. I felt more an more frustrated, every time I tried to slide turn I would end up eating snow. Increasing frustration, meant getting up again with my form getting worse and falling harder and more frequently. Until I was told to take a break, I refused I was going to get this down, and it was happening today. By the End of the lesson I was worse off then when I started. By this time my instructor had given me all the advice he can give, and was done. The next 2 hours everything was getting worse. With the hill closing soon, I was clenching my teeth with anger not even trying to learn anymore just getting through the motions of falling on my face. On the last run running on pure anger the last attempt at slide turning ended with my breaking my arm.

The last week in poker was very tough. I have been so obsessed with getting better, I would spend all my downtime at work reading through hand evaluations, and strategy articles. Trying to get out of Nl5 as fast as possible, and like with snowboarding I was fixated on the end goal, not navigating the path to get there. My mindset was not in good condition. My Job is very mentally intense, and spending a lot of time at work, deriving equations, and writing code, I feel like of mentally exhausted when I came home. So I would use sugar to try to perk myself out, and while it works in the short term it is a killer in the long term. So combining this pitbull mentality with decaying my mental performance Thursday led to playing pretty terribly. Losing 2 BI's when I should have lost one. I called it quits. I was pretty mad at poker, and like a sign of divine intervention my account was locked. This forced me to take a break and it really made me reflect on my entire attitude towards this. I had really hurt my mindset, and I was spending all my time with poker and not leaving much for anything else. I hurt my mindset, and at the same time i feel I tried to progress to quickly with doing fancy plays.

This reminded me so much of learning to snowboard, there is only so much learning you can do in a day, and expecting results that just are not attainable is going to drive you backwards, and can lead you to getting in pretty rough shape. (I do want to note that the instructor I had in my snowboarding story is not an implication towards Manu or Beibaer, those guys are more than amazing, and extremely nice/helpful/allthecompliments!) So I have fallen again, but this time I am going to take it slower, and might not try to force out the certain volume, as I noticed when I was playing I was playing for results, and not for fun. This caused me to be VERY VERY results orientated, and put me on tilt. I felt like I was going back into my old ways. This was another trip and fall, but the path is long, and I have all the time in the world.

Moving forward, I am going to put poker second to the gym, this was kind of reversed before, and on days where I didn't feel like going I would use poker and an excuse, and was so worried about volume that I used it as an excuse. This is a double edges sword, because with my mental game hurt I am playing my C game, and not taking in the learning I should be. So If I can only play an hour or something, then so be it. I am also going to get ride of the fancy play syndrome, and monsters under the bed syndrome. This is going to be done with what I think is the base of all poker: hand reading. This is analogous to macro in Starcraft. If you have ever played terran in starcraft 2 then you have probably herd of Filtersc, and know that macro the main building block for winning games. While I think Hand reading, and having good range abilities is the same idea, if you can't read the opponents hand, you won't know when to bluff, and you won't be able to value bet. You will be playing level 1 poker, and those guys don't crush nl400.

Results orientation needs to go, the only thing I am going to be evaluating my play on is what the hand judges and coaches say. Money won or lost, I am just not even going to look at. (Which is going to be easier said than done.) This will get me to the next level faster than feeling shitty about myself for having a bad day. Also going to talk about everything in big blinds. Not Money, the more I can distance myself from the the better. I need more big blinds to get to the next level of play.

I do have to say I am a little disappointed in myself for having to make another post like this, as I think I have made a few, but I think it is important that I do do this, so for those who read it and go through similar problems will know they are not alone. The big lesson i have learned here is keeping yourself in check before doing other things. I think that for me to do well, I need to keep myself in check, and doing what I did the past few weeks is a bit of a destructive path.

I have my account back and will most likely play some hands. I am curious for feedback from those who are reading on what they think, or if they want to share some of their experiences.


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champ44
Joined: 30.10.2010

gogogogogogogog guud luck...


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