Bluff of the day

Originally posted by spreeboy
Here is a hand where I played AKo unconventionally by flatting rather than 4betting. If I am up against two regs, I'll 4bet squeeze most of the time and hope to take down the pot preflop...

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Play hand

$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$30.79:///////;BU$36.87:///////;SB$18.36:///////;BB$33.38:///////;MP2 (Hero)$27.06:///////;MP3$25.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:c, A:s.
Hero raises to $0.87, 2 folds, BU raises to $2.40, SB calls $2.30, BB folds, Hero calls $1.53.

Flop: ($7.45) 3:d, 8:d, 5:c (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BU bets $4.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $9.25, BU folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $11.55.

THOUGHTS:

BU is a reg which I pretty much respect and I know he respects my play as well. We locked horns before but with decent hands and never really made crazy plays against each other.
SB is a one-tabler with only about 75BB and I have no read him yet, so when he just flat the BU 3bet I was a bit cautious.

1. I don't like 4betting here bec the overcaller likely have a hand that he would stack off preflop with 75 BB es. By experience, a recreational player will mostly do this with mid to premium pairs to slowplay. And I hate flipping with AK against a rec player with a pair because I have a bigger edge postflop.
2. 4bet shoving is worse because BU may wake up with a monster too. So that leaves me with a not so optimal OOP call multiway with AKo.
3. I check to evaluate their actions. BU cbet, then SB folds. Now I am up against the reg who knows how to fold if he didn't have it.
4. I thought that on a low flop like that, BU 3bet range does not hit monsters too often and when I flat his preflop 3bet, my range is more "mid-pair heavy" than his. So I decided to 3bet his flop cbet to represent mid pair because I thought he could not continue with overcards knowing that I would likely shove turn. END ♦

if you think he had overcards, you got the nutz of overcards and therefore it's not a bluff anymore

Originally posted by thazar

Originally posted by spreeboy
Here is a hand where I played AKo unconventionally by flatting rather than 4betting. If I am up against two regs, I'll 4bet squeeze most of the time and hope to take down the pot preflop...

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]CO$30.79:///////;BU$36.87:///////;SB$18.36:///////;BB$33.38:///////;MP2 (Hero)$27.06:///////;MP3$25.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:c, A:s.
Hero raises to $0.87, 2 folds, BU raises to $2.40, SB calls $2.30, BB folds, Hero calls $1.53.

Flop: ($7.45) 3:d, 8:d, 5:c (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BU bets $4.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $9.25, BU folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $11.55.

THOUGHTS:

BU is a reg which I pretty much respect and I know he respects my play as well. We locked horns before but with decent hands and never really made crazy plays against each other.
SB is a one-tabler with only about 75BB and I have no read him yet, so when he just flat the BU 3bet I was a bit cautious.

1. I don't like 4betting here bec the overcaller likely have a hand that he would stack off preflop with 75 BB es. By experience, a recreational player will mostly do this with mid to premium pairs to slowplay. And I hate flipping with AK against a rec player with a pair because I have a bigger edge postflop.
2. 4bet shoving is worse because BU may wake up with a monster too. So that leaves me with a not so optimal OOP call multiway with AKo.
3. I check to evaluate their actions. BU cbet, then SB folds. Now I am up against the reg who knows how to fold if he didn't have it.
4. I thought that on a low flop like that, BU 3bet range does not hit monsters too often and when I flat his preflop 3bet, my range is more "mid-pair heavy" than his. So I decided to 3bet his flop cbet to represent mid pair because I thought he could not continue with overcards knowing that I would likely shove turn. END ♦

if you think he had overcards, you got the nutz of overcards and therefore it's not a bluff anymore

In a sense yes you are right, however, my intention when I 3bet is not to bet for value and hope to get called by worse overcards, I wan't him to fold.... therefor I am bluffing. (and yeah he could still have a small pair :P)

Originally posted by spreeboy

Originally posted by thazar

Originally posted by spreeboy
Here is a hand where I played AKo unconventionally by flatting rather than 4betting. If I am up against two regs, I'll 4bet squeeze most of the time and hope to take down the pot preflop...

.....

if you think he had overcards, you got the nutz of overcards and therefore it's not a bluff anymore

In a sense yes you are right, however, my intention when I 3bet is not to bet for value and hope to get called by worse overcards, I wan't him to fold.... therefor I am bluffing. (and yeah he could still have a small pair :P)

again IMO you are protecting, not bluffing... And a down side that I see is that you give a good opportunity to an Adxd to shove on you which would be hard to to call and that you clearly dominate. a hand like AdQd could probably call:

for $5 in to $20 , 4:1 odds , 20% pot odds, only FD is 19%, and they often have 1 clean out and implied odds. So I am not too sure about your bet size here.

Originally posted by thazar

Originally posted by spreeboy

Originally posted by thazar

Originally posted by spreeboy
Here is a hand where I played AKo unconventionally by flatting rather than 4betting. If I am up against two regs, I'll 4bet squeeze most of the time and hope to take down the pot preflop...

.....

if you think he had overcards, you got the nutz of overcards and therefore it's not a bluff anymore

In a sense yes you are right, however, my intention when I 3bet is not to bet for value and hope to get called by worse overcards, I wan't him to fold.... therefor I am bluffing. (and yeah he could still have a small pair :P)

again IMO you are protecting, not bluffing... And a down side that I see is that you give a good opportunity to an Adxd to shove on you which would be hard to to call and that you clearly dominate. a hand like AdQd could probably call:

for $5 in to $20 , 4:1 odds , 20% pot odds, only FD is 19%, and they often have 1 clean out and implied odds. So I am not too sure about your bet size here.

Good point sir and thank you for your replies. Sorry but I only know value and bluff bets... if I am protecting as a result of my bets then let it be...

Honestly I really don't see any viable move here than to 3bet if I want to take down the pot. I cant really shove since villain may really have a monster too. I 3bet 2.2x and I don't see anything wrong with that. Yes he can shove with Adxd here but thats the point of my 3bet, I want to know if he has a hand that he is willing to stack off without risking my whole stack.

The reason for my 3bet is to leave an impression to villain that I am committing almost half of my chips there with mid-pair. If I am wrong, I save half my stack, If he is wrong and I have the best hand, I stack him off. Probably a naive way of thinking but that's the way I thought about this spot. He needs FD or mid pair to continue otherwise he'll fold I believe. I don't know if he will call with AQ but I have no problem with that, I'll take note and move on.

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