Btw how is it decided if 1 or 2 places are paid?
I guess I have seen 4 player spins that has 2 places paid but in some 5 man spins only 1 place is paid?
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See the 'Spin & Go Max - Payouts and Probabilities' page at Stars' site.
Curiously, the $3 and $30 stakes are unique in that 5-mans with a 4x prize pool pay for 2 places there, in the 75%/25% proportion, whereas at the other stakes, they pay for only 1 place. Thus the probability that a 5-man pays for 2 places is over 60% in $3s and $30s but merely 24-32% at the other stakes.
In one game, at a $1 buy-in with 5 seats and a 4x average 1st place prize, there was a 2nd place for $1.50
In another 5-seat $1 game, with a $10 average 1st place prize, there was a 2nd place prize of $5.00.
This 2nd game also had a "Cash Out" option of $9.50
I've not played any of the higher stakes games.
VS;
Originally posted by VorpalF2F
In one game, at a $1 buy-in with 5 seats and a 4x average 1st place prize, there was a 2nd place for $1.50
That was a game with a $5.50 prize pool, which is a higher and rarer (15% chance) tier than $4 winner-take-all (33.2% chance).
I was referring to the fact that, in $3 and $30 games, the 2nd lowest tier has a total prize pool of 4 BIs and pays for 2 places (3 BI on avg for the 1st, 1 BI for the 2nd) and there's no ~4x 5-seat winner-take-all tier typical of the other stakes.
I'm obviously overreacting to this difference between the stakes which doesn't have such a big effect on the ROI. Just as a former Blast player, I have a bad habit of cursing whenever a winner-take-all game loads, because in Blast, only 2x multiplier games are WTA, which means that the sole fact of getting too many WTA games means that I'm running below EV; whereas in Spingo Max, the avg prize pool of a WTA game is about the same as the avg PP of a game paying for 2 places, so getting a WTA game doesn't mean gross misluck, just that my skill advantage over the field is lower than in a non-WTA game*.
Plus, I have a bad habit of not paying enough attention to WTA games when I have a non-WTA one running at the same time, which arose because WTA games are rather insignificant for the overall ROI in Blast. I'm battling this habit, though, and learning to focus on games with a better background colour first (the increasing order of importance, in terms of the prize pool size divided by the number of players, is: blue -> cyan -> green -> purple -> red -> orange -> ?)
* Or, rather, Spin regs transitioning to Spin Max know better than me how to play in the WTA mode due to the sheer amount of coaching they got for usual Spins, whereas in non-WTA, we're more level and I actually have a few aces up my sleeve even vs non-WTA SNG regs in terms of knowledge.
Wrap Up
I finished the 100 games down $5.00 vs average prize.
Not too bad considering the hole I dug to begin with.
My ITM sucked, but I scored a couple of big ones in the last session.
As for which of the 3 positions holds the big prize, my guess is that it would be truly random.
However, even in this small sample, it appears that centre holds the lolly the least, whereas it is chosen the most. hmmmm....
Max Min Med Picked
Left: 38.0 40.0 22.0 30.0
Right: 33.0 32.0 35.0 25.0
Centre: 27.0 26.0 47.0 43.0
Selected: 30.0 42.0 28.0
Mine: 20.0 30.0 27.0
Δ EV Max: 0 -23.5 -16.5 -40.0
Δ EV vs Avg: 8.50 -9.00 -4.50 -5.00
CL Won: 61.5
CL Lost: 38.5
The Δ EV lines are for all players, not just myself.
It appears that if the game gets to the All-In phase, the chip leader has a slight edge.
I wouldn't mind continuing this, but to collect the data, it is necessary to wait until the game completes, which seems like a waste of time.
All-in-all, I don't mind these, and may play a few just to mess around, but I don't think it would ever be my bread-and-butter game.
Plain Spingo is definitely beatable, this variant seems less so.
Cheers,
VS