
As played,
Can we ever here in this specific situation check fold river profitable in the long run ?
Thank you.
Hello,
As played.. I don't think so.
The problem was you should't be betting pot size in a 3 bet pot. You could shove OTT as well, if villain pays pot size he'd pay for the rest of the chips.
I have moved your hand to our hand discussion forum. There fits it better.
Not sure why you Cbetting pot on flop and turn. I would only do that against a fish and than you can most likely even over shove the turn with in mind you are committing yourself if you bet so much. Normal I would bet maximum 2/3 pot on every street against a unknown on a wet board like this.
Cheers,
SDK1987
We want to keep our range wide ( as possible ) so i agree with SDK.
As played the river is very ugly. Everything hits. you actually can c/f the river.
I agree with the friends above, I would c-bet smaller every street, although that on the flop it is kinda reasonable, you're denying a lot of equity on the villain. As he called pot bets on flop and turn I wouldn't put him on a flush draw, but i'd be wary of possible sets, you could be well ahead or well behind.
River i'd probably check/call while oop. Really not sure why he didnt jam on you with the nuts, though
I experimented with these sizes in solvers
It's marginally lower EV but an okay strategy to go 2 street if you know what you are doing
Not standard by any means - I just go small on this board myself, but it can put pressure on your opponents
this particular combo without FD is one that'd fint pretty well into that
But if you decide to do this
you'll need to
1) 3bet bigger
2) overbet slightly flop
3) shove turn
and mix in more checks on both streets with other hands
what about the river play, c/f ? i dont see any hand we are ahead of in his calling range on the river, besides of AK without flush and AQ without flush ( which should not call on the flop )
Also not blocking the A of spades makes it even more uglier on the river.
You want to overbet that flop eh Lemon... This takes loads of the weaker hands from your perceived range making it a bad idea since we hold the nuts. We’ll miss value off those underpairs, who would often float one street or even two if facing normal size bets. We’re also likely to miss value off KQ or maybe even AK on later streets, especially if those later streets bring the flush.
Just bet an average size and then check raise the turn.
Our range is real wide when we check that turn so we can expect action off loads of hands. The draws are usually betting. The tp type hands are almost certainly betting. We might even get some low PPs to turn their hand into a bluff.
If the villain doesn’t bet we can lead out on dry rivers. As we still look weak we could get a jam from missed draws, or even low PPs. If the flush hits on the river we can continue with the passive play and could soak up one bluff cheaply.
Trap checking the turn is a no brainer for me here.