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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017


Hi guys,
Villain is a decent regular 23/20, don't know much about showdowns though.
Flop I decided to cbet 1/3. Board is quite good for my range and J9 is a good bluffing candidate imo. I'm blocking lots of Kx, Qx, Jx, Tx, 9x combos that might continue.
Turn is a great card again, so I went for the double barrel (around 3/4 pot). I think it could be a good overbet spot as well. The plan was to triple barrel bluff if called, I think this is a good spot for it. I can still improve to the nuts.
I don't think he should be raising anything on this turn vs my bet, not even QJ.
I decided to fold but I'm not sure if it wouldn't be a good 3bet-bluff spot. My perceived range is so strong. I'm blocking QJ (the nuts) which is good too.

I opted for the fold given the population tendencies regarding turn raises. I don't expect him having AA, KK, AK, TT.
AT, KT, QJ are his strongest hands.

Ideas?


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yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

I find myself wondering: Why’d he raise the turn and not the flop? Obviously QJ may do this but his other nutsy hands don’t really:

AT/AJ raise preflop a lot of the time... TT raises preflop... there are no nuts left really, just QJ.

Your range coming into the flop is pretty weak as you opened the button. This board, on the other hand, is very strong so your range doesn’t hit the board hard. If I was the villain and was looking down at QT I’d be considering raising this turn and jamming almost any river.

I’d consider it, but I wouldn’t do it very often. The betsize the hero chose on the turn looks a lot like Ax so I’d change my plan and would call or fold.

Is this guy good enough to change his plans when he sees an undesirable betsize? I doubt it. Is he heavily aggressive? Has he been raising loads postflop or attacking me hard? If so, I might well jam over the top here. It’s very dangerous though, as this guy probably just has QJ.

I don’t see why you bet so small on the flop. I don’t see what changed to prompt a bigger bet on the turn.


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Cbet your gs equity and barrel the scare card with the gs i think that's fine on the flop and turn.But i think trying to pull a big bluff on the turn vs this line would be pretty spewy.Your way overthinking a relatively straight forward spot imo.Villain can easily have QJ AT 44 TT and at 5nl even AA KK AK a non zero ammount.You might get AQ AJ to fold which villain could also take this turn line with.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

I don't like min raise BB can defend with a wide range your giving him great pot odds. the 1/3 pot bet on the flop is not giving villain much fold equity to anything he might have, decent A-highs and middle pairs might call decent broadways too. I would have gone 3bb pre, a standard half-pot c-bet OTF and if he calls and we miss on the turn just give up.I would bet less than half-pot for a value hand not for fold equity. Why do you think this board good for your range? you opened for a min-raise I think a BU can do this with any 2 with the intention trying to steal the blinds pre for cheap. No offense but I don't agree with anything you explain in this hand, you havn't given us your idea of his turn calling range but you are speculating to triple barrel bluff...you have 4 outs to make a straight.why villain not re-raise the turn with QJ is he had a straight? you seem overly focused on what hands you are blocking instead of putting villain on ranges given his actions

If he just called you on the turn what do you give him? ATo,A4,Kx,44 I think the ace is much better for his range than it is for yours,QJ is the only hand that has a straight on the turn in your range alot of people like to call from the blinds with Ax.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I open 2x on the BB as a standard.
Well I have KK and TT, which I don't expect him to have that often OTF. Off course he has good hands as well, but a K high rainbow board is usually favorable to the agressor.
I chose a small flop size due to board's stateness. Do you believe a bigger size is better? I think it would accomplish the same: if he has anything he'll call anyway.
I don't agree when you say the A is better for his range. I have AK, AQ, AT, AA, KK, whereas villain can only plausibly have AT.
That's why I think I should've bet even bigger OTT. I'm never capped, but he might be.
I don't think he should be calling my turn bet with less than top pair, maybe a strong K plus a draw (KQ, KJ for instance).
I can basically bet (very big too) any river card and put tons of pressure on his bluff-catchers, because that's what they are when facing my triple barrel on that board. Hands like A5s- A9s will have a hard time when facing a river massive bet.
I don't if I mentioned, but villain is a reg with 13% 3bet from the BB.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Idk I think your giving your range too much credit imo, when someone min-raises me from BU I am generally not putting them on premium hands very often unless they are a nit, nits probably wouldn't min raise. I agree a K high board is better for the aggressor but min raising is hardly being an aggressor.If you go to a live game at a casino and min raise on the BU I dont think they are giving you AA,KK AK,AQ very often, it looks weak. I think if you were serious about your hand you would raise properly. Someone who would raise in your position with AA,KK to a min-raise is hurting themselves the BB is getting 3:1 on his money to call and try and crack your AA or KK with any type of suited connectors or suited hands, if your standard raise on BU is min-raise you are missing out on a ton of value with your premium hands I think.


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I think button min-raise is fine and I think turn barrel is fine... turn x/r by Villain is suspect since you are holding a J blocker, but unless this guy is really OOL with his turn c/r frequencies I'd just fold and move on, you were bluffing and got raised, seems spewy to just rip it in here unless we know Villain is OOL.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

if you bet 2/3 pot on the flop he will likely let go of bottom pairs, possibly gut-shots , middle pocket pairs and maybe even A high, the board is not the best for those hands. when you bet 1/3 pot he can call with a wider range of hands.Why do you think villain can only have AT? I think villain can have A2-AT here, I think he probably raised you with an Ax or QJ or some type of two pair AT,A4,KT on the turn possibly even 44. In general BU raises can have a much wider range of hands so yes you can have what you listed but that is only a portion of all your possible holdings, I don't know how your image or stats are though.I think your turn raise can be some KQ,KJ,KT,K9 type hands seeing if he connected with the A. I'm not sure it looks wierd going from min-raising then betting 1/3 pot to then betting nearly pot on the turn, I dont think QJ is betting pot on a rainbow turn so I would take that out of your range, Your turn bet kind of looks like a panic bet imo.


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yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

Yeah you don’t seem to realise how weak your range is when you cbet that board so small. Villain continues with all sorts. It’s like your asking him to fight for the pot, but with just a gutshot that’s not what you want.

You want to bet at least half-pot here. You look very weak on this board so you gotta gain some respect if you want him to fold.


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Torcato
Joined: 17.02.2010

Hello,

I like your line, the only different thing I'd do was to bet 1/2 pot OTT instead of 3/4. At 5NL I can't see those spots (3bet bluffing) as very profitables, even vs regs which was the case here. Even at 10NL I prefer to play close to a straightforward way looking for exploiting spots here or there, because villains tend to play in a very "value betting" way in spots like these.


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