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$0.12/$0.25 Blinds Fix Limit Holdem - *** 14 06 2009 23:28:21
Table Chemnitz (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: notdot ( $13.87 )
Seat 4: Bergstajger ( $22.61 )
Seat 5: Crying_Horse ( $16.51 )
Seat 6: mrk115 ( $110.59 )
Seat 7: Faith976 ( $2.92 )
Bergstajger posts small blind [$0.12]
Crying_Horse posts big blind [$0.25]

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bergstajger [ K :spade:, 4 :heart: ]
mrk115 folds
Faith976 folds
notdot folds
Bergstajger raises [$0.38]
Crying_Horse raises [$0.50]
Bergstajger calls [$0.25]

** Dealing flop ** [ 3 :heart:, 9 :spade:, 5 :diamond: ]
Bergstajger bets [$0.25]
Crying_Horse calls [$0.25]

** Dealing turn ** [ 2 :club: ]
Bergstajger bets [$0.50]
Crying_Horse raises [$1]
Bergstajger calls [$0.50]

** Dealing river ** [ 6 :spade: ]
Bergstajger bets [$0.50]
Crying_Horse calls [$0.50]

Was turn bet ok? I got OESD and another 3 outs for K. Villain reraised my preflop bet, so he could be probably playing broadway cards, not very likely to hit a pair until turn and in worst case I would be behind Ax and high Kx. OESD outs give me win against all hands, and additional 3 for K an almost every possible villain's hand except high Kx or some A4 and possible sets, of course.


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Hi!

Why donking flop? Dont get in habbit of such moves,because they acomplish just one thing-->lose money. On this flop you are clear underdog against his range,but the question is should you call or fold.
lets take look at the equity:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 33,169% 31,550% 3,239% 65,212% Ks4h
Player 2: 66,831% 65,212% 3,239% 31,550% 33+, A2s+, K6s+, QTs+, A2o+, K8o+, QJo

As he is unknown we put him on PS.com range lookin something like this.
Because the pot was 3bet preflop you need around 25% to continue therefore you call.
And if he bets this turn you call again and dont raise because 2 :club: is the biggest blank and he will not fold a better hand.

But the line you took...I gues you have to bet turn although he will not fold many better hands except maybe Kx that are better than yours.


Hello!

For now, just stick to the simple rule: never ever donkbet. Later on when you're gold you will see that there are certain situations where we can donkbet, but none of them are concerning flop donking because flop donk is pretty much always -EV (there might be a few, but really very few cases when flop donk is +EV but you won't need this move until very high limits).

As played I don't think we can semi-bluff this turn beause we're beat by A high, every K high in his range and all pocket pairs so we actually only beat QJs and QTo at this point (QTs isn't in SHC, Bapsy). We are only getting 25% EQ on this turn and we have almost no FE and we need 50% EQ for a profitable bet.

As for flop, without the QTs that is not in the SHC we are getting only 21% EQ which means it's an easy fold:

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 21,588% 20,874% 1,429% 77,698% Ks4h
Player 2: 78,412% 77,698% 1,429% 20,874% 33+, A2s+, K6s+, QJs, A2o+, K8o+, QJo

Regards,

Primzi


Well the problem here is that I had one table too many to handle and was a bit behind with everything so I forgot he reraised me by the time I got back to that table. For me it was just a standard cbet until I took a look at the hand history.

(going back to 4-tabling... :) )


Hello!

I suggest you move back to 2-tabling... Even I find it hard to play my A-game on 4 tables, I have to be fully concentrated to do that. With your knowledge I would stick to 2 tables and get reads on the oponnents, even when they're not in the hand with you (see what they raise or 3-bet preflop with, what they donk with, etc.) and try to estimate their handranges. It gets a lot harder on pacific as well since you don't have the ability to see villain's mucked cards and get reads. When you're very experienced and confident in your game enough you should move to 3-tabling, and that will be when you won't have to post in the evaluation section every single day anymore ;). But seriously, multi tabling on pacific makes no sense at all. We usually increase the ammount of tables if we're really good or if we have a really awesome promotion. With multi-tabling on pacific you get like 1% rakeback and the rake on pacific is huge so it will be hard for you to even beat the rake in long run. Remember this:

IMPROVING YOUR GAME > Winrate > Rakeback > Strategy points

You don't have to listen to me, but that's some very good advice right there... I have quite a lot of knowledge but I'm sticking to 3-tabling because with 4-tabling it's really hard to get all the important reads on your oponnents. You actually earn way less with 4-tabling than 2-tabling IMO. When you're as good as Cornholio or Terrorblade or Cirith, then your profit by 4-tabling hourly profit > 3-tabling hourly profit. Until then, I don't think so. I hope you will take this as advice since it will really help you improve your game faster and you will earn money faster as well.

Regards,

Primzi


You are probably right. But there is one more thing in equation - I want to clear the bonus as soon as possible and move out to some other platform. 3/4-tabling with maybe some bad decisions could be -EV in the money, but with rake I'm making I will be able to clear the bonus 4 times faster than just on one table. In a month and a half I've tripled my starting capital (with a very rigid BRM) so for the moment I will stick to my current play as I think it is giving me more positive than negative sides. Of course your advice is dearly noted. :)