Originally posted by RedsYNWA
For 2nl on stars i was beating it at 20bb/100 and 888 for 13bb/100.
The difference in winrate between the sites is down to less rake on 'Stars.
How many hands did you play at 2NL on Pokerstars to win at 20bb/100?
I've had 30bb/100 over 25k hands but over the last 180k hands it is 9/bb/100.
Originally posted by arthurbentley
Originally posted by RedsYNWA
For 2nl on stars i was beating it at 20bb/100 and 888 for 13bb/100.The difference in winrate between the sites is down to less rake on 'Stars.
How many hands did you play at 2NL on Pokerstars to win at 20bb/100?
My winrate is about 30bb/100 on Pokerstars.com/Es and party over a 60k sample at 2nl. But I do table select and only play regular tables
I've had 30bb/100 over 25k hands but over the last 180k hands it is 9/bb/100.
only about 10k hands on each site at 2nl then moved to gg poker.And 9bb/100 will get you where you want to go id take that over 180k hands 
Villain won the big hand jackpot for this so for some strange reason it didn't hurt as much.I might of made a hash of this but i think i can get called by plenty of worse hands with the turn over bet.
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
BB: $1.82 (36.4 bb)
UTG: $4.91 (98.2 bb)
CO: $5.00 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5.04 (100.8 bb)
SB: $6.81 (136.2 bb)
SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 8
7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.13, SB raises to $0.51, fold, Hero calls $0.38
Flop: ($1.07, 2 players) 2 K 5
SB bets $0.36, Hero raises to $0.96, SB calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.99, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets $3.57 and is all-in, SB calls $3.57
River: ($10.13, 2 players) 4
Results: $10.13 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 2 K 5 K 4
Hero shows 7 8: (Flush, King High)
(Pre 23%, Flop 66%, Turn 0%)
SB shows K
K: (Four of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 77%, Flop 34%, Turn 100%)
SB wins $10.13
Last few days or about 5k hands are break even but about 20k hands at 5nl completed now.
This fold didn't feel good,maybe i should just over bet the turn.Possibly it's a bad fold as well but this line just seems so much like a flush vs the more passive fishier players.
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
SB: $4.82 (96.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $12.71 (254.2 bb)
UTG: $6.44 (128.8 bb)
CO: $7.47 (149.4 bb)
BTN: $5.00 (100 bb)
SB posts $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K
3 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.90, 2 players) 4 K 3
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.10, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, SB calls $1.40
River: ($4.90, 2 players) 6
SB bets $2.37 and is all-in, Hero folds
Results: $4.90 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 4 K 3 A 6
SB wins $4.90
OTR you need to put in a further $2.37 to win what is then a pot of $7.27
So you're getting pot odds of roughly 3:1
Therefore, you need to win roughly once out of 4 to be totally break-even
I think either fold or call OTR would be OK here, especially since SB has a lot of Ax in his range (he called the flop and turn)
If he is a thinking player, and hold A♠: the river shove is +EV for him, since you might fold weaker flushes
Other hands that are quite likely are worse sets.
I think 52o and 75o are not normally likely, but this is 5NL GGPoker 
I put a guess at a range for him into Equilab and got:
OTT
Board: 4♦K♠3♠ A♥
Equity Win Tie
SB 24.76% 24.76% 0.00% { AA, QQ, 66-33, AQs+, KQs, 75s, 52s, AQo+, KQo, 75o, 52o }
BB 75.24% 75.24% 0.00% { KhKc }
OTR you're a very slight favourite:
Board: 4♦K♠3♠ A♥ 6♠
Equity Win Tie
SB 47.97% 47.97% 0.00% { AA, QQ, 66-33, AQs+, KQs, 75s, 52s, AQo+, KQo, 75o, 52o }
BB 52.03% 52.03% 0.00% { KhKc }
If we remove the trash hands, and limit his Ax hand to only having the A♠: you're getting 3:1 equity advantage, which would point to a call.
Board: 4♦K♠3♠ A♥ 6♠
Equity Win Tie
SB 26.82% 26.82% 0.00% { QQ, 66-33, AdAs, AhAs, AsAc, KQs, K4s, 75s, 52s, AsQs, AKo, KQo, AsQd, AsQh, AsQc }
BB 73.18% 73.18% 0.00% { KhKc }
Note: You could have (possibly) avoided by raising 4x pre-flop.
You might consider posting this hand to the Hand discussions for No Limit -- people there know much more about NLHE than I do.
Cheers,
VS
I don't really get the bb/100 because total winnings are only $55.74.I'm not sure if or how hem3 takes in to account the running it two or three times and how that affects the stats.It's possible that's my ev on running just one board but i'm accepting to run it multiple times if requested to lower the short term variance.
Pokercraft doesn't show you the rake.
So if you won $55.74, Pokercraft will likely show that you won more.
Running it twice does not affect the rake -- in other words, you don't pay rake on each run.
I have no clue how HM3 or PT4 would handle the "insurance" thing.
Cheers,
VS
Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Pokercraft doesn't show you the rake.
So if you won $55.74, Pokercraft will likely show that you won more.Running it twice does not affect the rake -- in other words, you don't pay rake on each run.
I have no clue how HM3 or PT4 would handle the "insurance" thing.
Cheers,
Ye but if hem3 is only tracking the first board and not taking in to account the multiple boards the ev/winnings would be different ?.Because let's say if i run it twice and split the pot but hem3 only tracks the first run and the win or loss of the pot the stats would be different.Because it's not taking in to account the second or third boards ? if you get what i mean.I also thought the rake might not of been considered but i'm not sure.My knowledge of trackers and how they work is pretty limited to say the least.
Another frustrating session i'm not really losing any stack sized pots just tons of smaller pots but we live to fight another day.
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
BTN: $10.84 (216.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.00 (100 bb)
BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K
fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 6 5 T
Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.70, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.53, BB calls $0.53
River: ($1.76, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $1.13, BB calls $1.13
Results: $4.02 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 6 5 T 4 4
Hero shows K K: (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 88%, Flop 94%, Turn 89%)
BB shows 4 Q: (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 12%, Flop 6%, Turn 11%)
BB wins $4.02
Ran it twice and lost both boards but happy with how i played it.
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
SB: $3.64 (72.8 bb)
BB: $9.19 (183.8 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.28 (105.6 bb)
MP: $5.82 (116.4 bb)
CO: $4.32 (86.4 bb)
BTN: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 8
Hero raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 2 8 9
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.94, Hero raises to $5.13 and is all-in, CO calls $3.23 and is all-in
Turn: ($8.71, 2 players) A
River: ($8.71, 2 players) 7
Players agreed to run it twice.
Turn #2: ($8.71, 2 players) Q
River #2: ($8.71, 2 players) 7
Results: $8.71 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 2 8 9 A 7 Q 7
Hero shows 9 8: (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
Board #1 : (Pre 37%, Flop 65%, Turn 82%)
(Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
Board #2 : (Pre 37%, Flop 67%, Turn 10%)
CO shows T J: (Straight, Jack High)
Board #1 : (Pre 63%, Flop 35%, Turn 18%)
(Straight, Queen High)
Board #2 : (Pre 63%, Flop 33%, Turn 90%)
CO wins $4.35
We will never know 
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
MP: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $7.76 (155.2 bb)
BTN: $5.57 (111.4 bb)
SB: $5.83 (116.6 bb)
BB: $8.99 (179.8 bb)
SB posts $0.02, BB posts $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.44, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.13, BTN calls $0.69
Flop: ($2.33, 2 players) K K 2
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.76, Hero calls $1.76
Turn: ($5.85, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN checks
River: ($5.85, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $4.87 and is all-in, fold
Results: $5.85 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: K K 2 T 6
Hero wins $5.85
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
MP: $5.00 (100 bb)
CO: $6.27 (125.4 bb)
BTN: $6.96 (139.2 bb)
SB: $1.47 (29.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
SB posts $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A 3
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.45, 3 players) 2 3 3
SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BTN raises to $0.78, fold, Hero calls $0.54
Turn: ($2.01, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.03 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.07 and is all-in
River: ($10.15, 2 players) 9
Results: $10.15 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 2 3 3 4 9
BTN shows 6 6: (Two Pair, Sixes and Threes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 10%, Turn 14%)
Hero shows 3 A: (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 30%, Flop 90%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins $10.15
Maybe a little fps with the double check raise but it payed off this time.
GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
SB: $5.17 (103.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.54 (110.8 bb)
UTG: $5.09 (101.8 bb)
CO: $3.74 (74.8 bb)
BTN: $4.54 (90.8 bb)
SB posts $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 4 4
UTG raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 5 J 4
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.24, Hero raises to $0.64, UTG calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.60, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.80, Hero raises to $4.75 and is all-in, UTG calls $3.50 and is all-in
River: ($10.20, 2 players) 2
Players agreed to run it twice.
River #2: ($10.20, 2 players) T
Results: $10.20 pot ($0.00 rake)
Final Board: 5 J 4 9 2 T
Hero shows 4 4: (Three of a Kind, Fours)
Board #1 : (Pre 19%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
(Three of a Kind, Fours)
Board #2 : (Pre 19%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
UTG shows A A: (One Pair, Aces)
Board #1 : (Pre 81%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 : (Pre 81%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $5.10
