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$0.50/$1 - KJs vs 3bet

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Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with J♥ K♥
1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, BTN 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls

Co is a fish, BU is a TAG

Flop: (10.5 SB) 3♥ 3♣ J♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets, Hero raises, CO folds, BTN calls

check/raise standard i think.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero ???

when i was playing this hand my thought was to 3bet (fd/ak/aq/at/tt/99)
and if capped calldown thinking im probably beat (JJ+/AJ/88)

Spoiler

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN calls

River: (13.25 BB) 6♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Final Pot: 15.25 BB
BTN shows K:s K:d
Hero shows J:h K:h
BTN wins 14.85 BB
(Rake: $0.40)

after the session i went to play with equilab ( im bad in thinking ranges.):

3bet vs MP3 Open Raise: 66+,A9s+,KQs,ATo+,KQo
And since there was a caller maybe a tighter range to 3bet.

Seeing that i now think the 3bet may be a little too agressive
and calldown would be a better option.

Now i have some questions:
1) Was my play bad?
2) Was my thinking during the hand bad?
3) Is call turn fold river unimproved way too weak?


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floaty
Joined: 13.04.2010

Think youre overplaying the hand here, especially since you raise on the flop here, theres no draws in there what so ever, so its a pure valuerange with no 3s in your range i persume, so youre raising like 88-AA +Jx? or do you cap TT+, if you do youre range here is even more narrow, so he wont raise you with weaker hands in this spot i think. Prolly shouldve played c/c c/r here, he still wouldve raised you and rightly so, but you would have draws in there now, so your range would be more balanced, should the situation be different. And given a flop like this he's very likely to 2barrel this with any hand in his range, cause youre not folding alot on this flop i think.

but thats just my thoughts, ive been wrong so many times before :f_grin:


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

This is fine and standard OOP

If you don't think you can raise for value that's a problem with your bluffing range not your value range. This is a board where potentially you can play x/c, x/r with your range in a HU spot but with the 3rd guy it's a brutally easy x/r on the flop.

Also that Equilab range is from, I believe, the Starting Hand Charts which by today's standards are miserably tight. I would imagine most TAGs (if they are genuine TAGs) are 3-betting way wider than that


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floaty
Joined: 13.04.2010
floaty
Joined: 13.04.2010

but i think the reasoning for 3b on the turn is overplaying the hand still stands... as far as i can see, even if we add fd and that he might raise a hand like JTs were still way behind. Thats using my 3b range vs a HJopr.

do we ever consider balancing in a 3way pot btw?


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

I like a calldown from turn. 3betting would be overplaying your hand, his raise looks very strong there for me. AJ+, QQ+, 88. How many worse hands does he even have in his range that he'll raise there? Only some flushdraws. So yea I'm going for calldown all day long in that spot.


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Your play was correct. Raising top pair and a good kicker on such a dry board is fine. You'll be called down probably by AK AQ and his lower pocketpairs. Not to checkraise would be a little bit too weak as his better hands is just a small enough part of his entire range. The turnraise kinda sucks. Most likely you're beaten and your outs for 2pair are tainted due to the paired board but nevertheless you are committed to show your hand down. T9s QJs KJ is possible and especially on lower limits i experienced that also the so called "TAG's" are overplaying their hands way too much.


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