The Death Wish hero call

JJ Hand: In a freeroll you can aspect everything. So it’s not weird he makes a call with a hand like that.
KTo hand I most likely fold pre-flop, because I’m a nit and is a tricky hand to play multi-way.
Further is it off course an easy fold on his pot-size bet on flop. He never bet with a worse hand than yours

Originally posted by SDK1987
JJ Hand: In a freeroll you can aspect everything. So it’s not weird he makes a call with a hand like that.
KTo hand I most likely fold pre-flop, because I’m a nit and is a tricky hand to play multi-way.
Further is it off course an easy fold on his pot-size bet on flop. He never bet with a worse hand than yours

Yup, my point exactly.
I have heard others put it down to boredom, but it is more than that.

When you know BEFORE you make the call that you don't have the odds (direct or implied) and you don't have the equity it should be an "easy fold".

I became aware of this some time ago, and I've been doing much better in MTTs since, but since I *am* aware of it, I notice it in others now too.

Cheers,
--VS

i still do this mistake but not with the second pair , with the top pair and loose kiker ^^

Yeah I do it as well, it's weird, it's like apart of your brain says 'No he's bluffing me' and you just call it off.

I must work on that.

Example from earlier (in a freeroll)

I raise from CO with 77, BB flats.

Flop is 6, 2, 4 Rainbow.

Checked to me, I put in a 3/4 pot size bet and he raises all in.

Now I'm thinking, my hands still good, when instead I should be thinking hang on he's raised me all in here he must be stronger than me. He could have a set, 2 pair or overpair.

I hover over the fold button, knowing I should press it..... then take leave of my senses & click the call button.

He had AA

WHY WHY WHY do I do it. ♦

FWIW, my mantra at the micro stakes is, 'If their betting says they have me beat, then they probably do', and I fold. That is excluding good reads on their stats of course. Regardless, I still make that occasional "Death Wish hero call" (ok bad boy let's see whatcha got!). Whimper...

Understanding the reason for a mental game leak is such a personal thing. Even though this is a common type of error, the exact mechanism and the thought process will have some unique elements to the person, and may be connected other other leaks.

Some big factors include the curiosity call, where we just feel we "need the info" and can't bear to trust our instincts but not "know for sure". This is flawed logic of course as we can get this info elsewhere without forcing ourselves to make a mistaken play to get it. We should learn to trust (and use well) our instincts instead, and make disciplined folds.

Another factor is just that, of misunderstanding or misusing our own instincts, second-guessing our own reactions til we just don't know what our gut is telling us anymore. Clearing out our relationship to our instincts takes work and is a process, one I coach about a fair bit in fact.

There's also the self-destructive instinct which comes with tilt. "I can't believe he's hit it again - screw it I'm just gonna call". This is part of blowing up which happens with all tilt, in life and poker. We don't do things which help us when the red mist descends, even though we feel we are acting in our own interests, we're often doing the opposite...

Very well said, LuckyLukePS,

At the micros it gets really weird, though.

In the past couple of days I have encountered a few instances of "bluff 3Bet shoving".

Hands where villain bets big with air.

I posted 3 of them in my last blog entry. In one case I was wrong, but the other two were just weird.

I'll PM you about coaching.

Peace,
VS

JJ in freeroll or 1c mtt is a snapcall there.