Set mining yes or no

Hello,

I think we can fold here, definitely fold if we would only 100bb deep. We hit a set like 1 from 8,5 times. So if we win his stack everytime we hit our set it would be OK to call but this just won´t happend even against such a nit. Let say his range is KK+, but sometimes:

- he hit better set
- he don´t stack off KK on Ahigh
- he don´t stack off on some very ugly boards

In general we don´t need call20 rule in 3bet pot. I think vs 3bet call15 is recomended by some good players. But you have to think about other things:

- how wide is opponent range
- are we IP or OOP
- Is it good reg or poor player

if he has a 215 BB stack and you have a 130 BB stack you cant win 215 BB can you

Your effective stack is 129,5bb. I would call, no brainer. Micro players are kind of tathered to QQ+

too unlikely that you win a big pot so fold.

Originally posted by NothingIsForSho
too unlikely that you win a big pot so fold.

I would venture to claim that quite the opposite is true.

We will be in position postflop and we are 130 BB deep - we call here.

Lets say opponent has ak and qq+

You hit 12% but after accounting for the times when your opponent misses or has kk and flop is A63 etc, you really only win about 6.7% of the time not 12%. That's assuming its all in postflop every time bar the exceptions I said.

.067*$1.30 = $0.09 and you have to call $0.10 to see a flop. Imo you're just burning money.

Why multiply by $1, 30 ?

Originally posted by nitrol
Why multiply by $1, 30 ?

the effective stack size ie. money hero could win or thereabouts.

oh sorry i see it's 130 bbs, but the same math applies

Math is the same but the result isn't.
Now it looks you have to pay 5BB to win 9BB.
Sounds like a +EV move.

Originally posted by nitrol
Math is the same but the result isn't.
Now it looks you have to pay 5BB to win 9BB.
Sounds like a +EV move.

no you have to call 10bbs

Yeah, my bad.
Did you include the dead money in the pot?

Originally posted by nitrol
Yeah, my bad.
Did you include the dead money in the pot?

no i didn't add 5bbs to 130bbs. makes little difference. my point is still clear. it is very difficult to win money in this spot.

Yeah my mistake, I was using the Call20 rule incorrectly. I knew how it works, just got a bad habit cause usually I just look if the opponent has at least 100 BBs and my stack is always 100 BB high so Sorry for the retardiness.

one pro's to call is villian is a nit so our implied odds really increase - hes basically got KK or AA here

Originally posted by mattyvx
one pro's to call is villian is a nit so our implied odds really increase - hes basically got KK or AA here

the stat is 2.74. almost exactly 2.56. not 0.9

the sample size is 232, thats one three bet.... he could never had a 0.9

he's other stats & population reads for SQ'ing UTG i would better my bottom dollars it's likely KK+

Originally posted by mattyvx
the sample size is 232, thats one three bet.... he could never had a 0.9

he's other stats & population reads for SQ'ing UTG i would better my bottom dollars it's likely KK+

wrong