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2$ - 8max - preflop - TT - bubble

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Astarothh
Joined: 01.10.2007

DoN tournament 100/200 8 max

SB (2212)
BB (908)
HJ (2779)
Hero CO (1732)
BU (4069)

SB posts SB 100, BB posts BB 200

Pre Flop: (pot: 300) Hero has TT

fold, Hero raises to 400, fold, SB goes AI, BB folds, hero folds

Was it the right move to open? Could you advise how you would play that hand?


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DaMaryJoanna
Joined: 02.07.2006

I don't play DON's so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I think this is a pretty easy open-shove even on the bubble.


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006

yes you can open if they dont call like a maniac but you have to ahove pre because you can raise call in dons due to the equity


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

ICM is really nasty here. If you min raise you need to fold any hand if you face a 3bet shove.
Most of the time I would just shove. It's really tough to play TT post-flop with the ICM involved.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Astarothh
Joined: 01.10.2007

Thank you guys for all your comments!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

There was once a series of videos on DoNs but I could not find them.
In this situation, BB must go through the blinds before you do, and thus if you wait it is quite likely that he will either blind out first, to take a chance on a marginal hand.

If you're not the shortest stack, any bigger stack should 3Bet shove over you since you have everything to lose.
However if you shove, it puts the bigger stacks (except for BU) in a very difficult spot and (theoretically) they should fold.

If you wait, and BB doubles up -- or gets a walk -- then you need to double up yourself.

A tool like hold'em resources calculator can help here.
https://www.holdemresources.net/free-tools
especially https://www.holdemresources.net/nashicm
Here is what that tool says about your hand:
https://www.holdemresources.net/nashicm?action=calculate&s1=2779&s2=1732&s3=4069&s4=2212&s5=908&p1=25&p2=25&p3=25&p4=25&sb=100&bb=200&ante=0
In case that link doesn't work it says that you should shove:
26.7%, 44+ Ax K6s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo JTs T9s
which seems wildly wide IMO
However
It also says that
BU should only call with QQ+
SB should only call with AA
BB should only call with 10.9%, 55+ A8s+ A9o+
And you're a far ahead of that range.

Double-or-Nothings are a license to print money for a tight aggressive player.
One of these free tools might help -- I haven't used it is several years, so I can't remember if it does double-or-nothings
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-software-tools/icm-trainer-light/
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-software-tools/icm-trainer/

And some paid options:
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-software-tools/icmizer-2/
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-software-tools/holdem-resources-calculator/ <== this is the paid version of the free tool I linked above


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