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AKo multi-way All-in pre-flop

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Another hand where it perhaps wasn't the best idea to get it in pre-flop
What do you think?

iPoker - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €0.78
BB: €2.00
UTG: €2.00
MP: €1.19
Hero (CO): €4.76
BTN: €2.14

SB posts SB €0.01, BB posts BB €0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.03) Hero has K♦:A♥:

fold, MP raises to €0.04, Hero raises to €0.06, BTN raises to €0.28, fold, fold, MP calls €0.24, Hero raises to €1.30, BTN raises to €2.14, MP calls €0.91, Hero calls €0.84

Flop: (€5.50, 3 players) 7♣:8♦:2♦:

Turn: (€5.50, 3 players) K♥:

River: (€5.50, 3 players) J♣:

MP shows 3♣:5♣: (High Card, King)

Main Pot [€3.60]: (Pre 22%, Flop 11%, Turn 0%)

Hero mucks K♦:A♥: (One Pair, Kings)

Main Pot [€3.60]: (Pre 34%, Flop 26%, Turn 95%)
Side Pot#1 [€1.90]: (Pre 44%, Flop 29%, Turn 95%)

BTN shows J♠:J♥: (Three of a Kind, Jacks)

Main Pot [€3.60]: (Pre 44%, Flop 63%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [€1.90]: (Pre 56%, Flop 71%, Turn 5%)

BTN wins €5.14
Rake paid €0.36


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

1. NEVER EVER min3bet. Whats the point of this? You want opponent to make mistake, when you min3bet he can everything and fold flop unless he hits monster that will cooler your best hands
2. After reraise over your raise(hard to call it proper 4bet) and call there is over 30bb in pot. You should just go all in instead of putting 2/3 of your stack in middle. Again - I ask is there any point in doing this? Are you ever folding when one of them shove?


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

this is NL2 right. so this guy could be anything. what I would do, I would raise to 0.18 after MP's 0.04. As played it is more difficult, cause the betsizes get weird... Preflop it is actually +EV for you, right? Cause there's 3rd guy in the hand and AK is like what, 45% vs JJ... something like that I think. So with the 3rd guy in the pot, it is at least breakeven for you anyway. But especially if he's not folding 53s there, I would not hesitate to raise to at least 0.18... maybe even bigger, maybe even 0.24... cause he calls anyway... if you had reads on him he's not folding anything.

After BTN's 4bet, sure he has something. Any reads on him? Do you think he is capable of doing that with wide range? Or like minimum JJ, AK+. Again I think NL2 vs unknown you cannot really escape from AK in that spot, especially with the 3rd guy in the hand who is calling many many weak hands. And, just because of the fish in the hand it is good to push it in I guess... like EmiyaKiritsugu said... that might even make BTN to fold weak pairs and the fish to call with trash... maybe ... so yea, maybe raising it to 1.30 looks stronger and looks like KK, AA... can't tell


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
1. NEVER EVER min3bet. Whats the point of this? You want opponent to make mistake, when you min3bet he can everything and fold flop unless he hits monster that will cooler your best hands
2. After reraise over your raise(hard to call it proper 4bet) and call there is over 30bb in pot. You should just go all in instead of putting 2/3 of your stack in middle. Again - I ask is there any point in doing this? Are you ever folding when one of them shove?

The strange thing is that I never do. It is possible that this was a misclick.
The thing that gets me though, is that If we weren't all-in pre, I might have got JJ to fold on the turn. Perhaps not, but ...


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

Don't worry about it, shoving with AK is always a lottery, just decide if you're a guy that does it or not


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

The thing that gets me though, is that If we weren't all-in pre, I might have got JJ to fold on the turn. Perhaps not, but ...

Its poker - he is not dead on turn just like you were not dead on flop. Calling is worse because you are OOP and so you would struggle to realize your equity(44% vs JJ).


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