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Loosey goosey table, 3bet?

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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

6max, UTG opens, MP calls, SB has K♣:6♣:Q♦:T♦:, SB?

Normally I would 3bet this without a second thought. But I remembered you writing that I should 3bet much less vs loosey players. UTG and MP are never folding. They also open poopy hands. What would you do? Call in low rake environment and fold in high rake environment?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

This hand is actually pretty nice to squeeze versus wide ranges as it flops smooth and has some domination potential as well. 6 sucks a bit though so call is also reasonable but with bit higher fourth card I would very very happily squeeze.

In gto though I don't think this squeezes and it might even fold from SB. Just because of how tight ranges we are supposed to be facing with EP open and MP call.


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

But many hands flop smoothly e.g Q456$ds, RROO, connected Axxx$ds like A79J$ds. One factor against 3betting here, aside from generating 0 folds, is that I'm not pushing equity. So for example AQT8$ss, would have been a better hand.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

But hand has still fairly high chance of flopping top pair with support etc. Then versus wide ranges we can get into position to dominate by having better two pairs or pair with higher fd.

Some other hands with lower cards would suffer more from lack of fe. Even with more connectivity imo.

But again if early position players have more solid ranges to play and continue versus squeeze then our hand instead becomes easily dominated. Plus as said with 6 this hand becomes much more marginal. E.g. if it was 5 instead becoming completely disconnected I would never squeeze.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

This hand is actually pretty nice to squeeze versus wide ranges as it flops smooth and has some domination potential as well. 6 sucks a bit though so call is also reasonable but with bit higher fourth card I would very very happily squeeze.

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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

i would flat pre, it is more fun this way. then pot on the flop really fast, like with 0.1 seconds.


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

Originally posted by taavi1337
i would flat pre, it is more fun this way. then pot on the flop really fast, like with 0.1 seconds.

I see someone has been playing micros. They will all fold out of respect:profit:


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008

Originally posted by BunBun00

Originally posted by taavi1337
i would flat pre, it is more fun this way. then pot on the flop really fast, like with 0.1 seconds.

I see someone has been playing micros. They will all fold out of respect:profit:

No, In micros BB will 4bet and UTG and MP shout hiphey hooray and it will be 4way All-in because loosey micto PLO players love action:s_love: And your hand is not bad in this lottery.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Originally posted by BunBun00

Originally posted by taavi1337
i would flat pre, it is more fun this way. then pot on the flop really fast, like with 0.1 seconds.

I see someone has been playing micros. They will all fold out of respect:profit:

flatting pre 9max $0.5 SnG

PokerStars - 25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 35.7 BB
UTG+1: 26.14 BB
MP: 29.3 BB
MP+1: 31.9 BB
Hero (MP+2): 31.9 BB
CO: 17.8 BB
BTN: 16.3 BB
SB: 43.16 BB
BB: 37.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 7♣ K♣ K♠
UTG+1 bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
UTG+1 bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

River: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 8♠
UTG+1 bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 21.9 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 9.14 BB and is all-in

Hero shows K♥ A♣ (Full House, Kings full of Eights)
(Pre 70%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
UTG+1 shows 9♠ A♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Eights)
(Pre 30%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 53.78 BB


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

Love it, clip it and ship it :profit:. To call the river shove.... let's just say he has an active imagination


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

When in doubt, there is no doubt about what you should do.

Spoiler

Pot.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Originally posted by Mascherano95
When in doubt, there is no doubt about what you should do.

Spoiler

Pot.

Very nice

He probably put me on 7x that is now counterfeited by the board. Players at these stakes, they always play the board only and see if they have hit or not.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by taavi1337

Originally posted by Mascherano95
When in doubt, there is no doubt about what you should do.

Spoiler

Pot.

Very nice

He probably put me on 7x that is now counterfeited by the board. Players at these stakes, they always play the board only and see if they have hit or not.

Exactly. It´s called fit-fold. You exploit human players best by decoding the psychology they are driven by which are mostly curiosity, greed or fear.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Oh, he called! That means he is weak! Let's bluff that weak player!


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023

Originally posted by taavi1337
Oh, he called! That means he is weak! Let's bluff that weak player!

Hey, Hey, keep it down, don't give away my strategy for free. 10% of the time works every time.


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