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Reckless river bluff 200 bb deep - stupid or reasonable?

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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.96 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 250.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 284.24 BB
UTG: 328.84 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 218.2 BB
CO: 69.08 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♥ K♦

fold, MP raises to 2.52 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7.96 BB, MP calls 5.44 BB

Flop: (16.32 BB, 2 players) 3♥ 5♥ T♦
Hero bets 5.4 BB, MP calls 5.4 BB

Turn: (27.12 BB, 2 players) T♣
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (27.12 BB, 2 players) T♠

Spoiler

Hero checks, MP bets 13.56 BB, Hero raises to 270.88 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 49.6 BB

Please roast me :)

I feel I can fold out many pairs that bet for value like 66-99 and he can really only call me with a T, some (most?) of which he should be betting on the turn? If I bluff, do I need to shove to maximise FE when he has 66-99 or should some other size suffice to achieve my objective while risking less in case he has a T? If I decide not to bluff this river do I check-fold or is it reasonable to check-call sometimes, as he can have some missed draws? If I do decide to bluff, does the check-raise bluff make more sense than just betting the river? I feel in the latter case I never make any worse hand fold unless I overbet massively.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Yes the only problem i think is that, you dont have much Tx in your BB vs MP preflop 3betting range. He might notice that.


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

That is a fair point. Still, even if he notices it, will he be able to hero-call with 99 or similar often enough for me not to attempt this sort of play? If I am in his shoes, I probably think "he has few Tx in his range, but this is probably one of those times, and if not is it really worth finding out blablabla" until I time out. I understand people do not like to fold boats, but it's quite a bit of pressure. If he starts finding the call here, then I can make a note and can start playing like this with AA/KK/QQ in this spot? I just feel it's probably a good play exploitatively. Given how deep we are, he might actually have KK-JJ in his range as well.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

He might also have worse hands than AK in his range quite often, this is why I dont like the bluff as you risk ~190? to win 40, so it has to work very often, maybe just call with AK on the river as he can have bluffs? (and he only bet 1/2 pot). i think very interesting hand!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

The fact that you label this "reckless" says a lot.
<checks spoiler>
I think you played that river very well. To lead would fail, but check-raising did the trick.
Nice hand


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Also you're own thoughs could helps what you was thinking during the hand, but in general this seems not a great spot to bluff at on a dry board.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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adragonro
Joined: 06.11.2010

I would raus bigger preflop since u are OOP and deep. Like 3,5-4,5x.
I think he is hitting this Flop better.
OTT ich would c/c this hand and bluff worse.
Also I guess you Just can find out which size is best by try and Error. 4x pot is quite big. 2x pot=140bb should also so the trick.

How much would u bet with a Ten or KK?


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