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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

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$0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU$116.70:///////;SB$100.00:///////;BB$112.65:///////;MP3$118.90:///////;CO (Hero)$135.30:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:c, K:h.
MP3 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, BU calls $3.00, SB folds, BB calls $2.00.

Flop: ($9.5) 3:s, K:s, 6:h (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.00, BU calls $6.00, BB calls $6.00.

Turn: ($27.5) J:d (3 players)
BB bets $13.00, Hero calls $13.00, BU calls $13.00.

River: ($66.5) J:h (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30.00, BU raises to $60.00, BB folds, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $96.5.
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BB is a 30/14 guy w 22 fold to cbet but not smth aggro postflop or anything.
BU is 24/20 w 6.5 3bet, raise flop cbet 9%, river aggression frequency 22%

I'm not sure what to make out of that turn donkbet but it doesn't look strong and the only hand that improved on turn and makes some sense is KJ so since BU is probably raising his monsters on flop close to always I should consider reraising here?

I did bet the river to get a value from worse Kx hands that one of them could have, don't think that BU will look me up w worse if i bet more, don't like c/c river because I'd assume that BU will give up if he'd happen to have a busted FD and BB could potentially have some weirdly played Kx as well.

On river I folded because BU is not aggressive on river it seems and he's not closing the action so he should be a bit concerned about the other player left in hand which imo will make him less likely to bluff raise as well. Tho I rly don't have an idea wtf does he rep here? Smth like JTs/QJs??


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VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007

I like your play.
Dont see any reasons in raising turn, cos if he plays draws this weird way - he's gona play on stacks. If he has nuts - we beaten anyway, and if he bluffing he fold. Yeah and also he can fold hands like KQ on raise.

River standart bet\fold - we have value, and we have to fold cos nothing worse gona raise us.


NightFrostaSS Topic starter
NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Yea it's only bluffcacher on river just felt kinda dirty folding for some reason. if BB has a draw ofc i don't mind him playing it for stacks on turn, I kinda doubt that he'd be capable of folding KQ to a turn r, don't remember now why, but pretty sure he was quite fishy postflop and I don't see how he could have a pure bluff here on turn. Soo idk


Originally posted by VzLOM
I like your play.
Dont see any reasons in raising turn, cos if he plays draws this weird way - he's gona play on stacks. If he has nuts - we beaten anyway, and if he bluffing he fold. Yeah and also he can fold hands like KQ on raise.

River standart bet\fold - we have value, and we have to fold cos nothing worse gona raise us.

+1, nh.

You are sandwithced between 2 players, it´s difficult to play anyhow else. If you raise turn 30-40 and you get call behind you or even from BB, it does not make your situation much better for river perspectives. As played, your river-play good standard imo.


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

On the flop you should bet $8 for value, especially since BB doesn't fold to cbets.

As played I thought about other lines, but I can't really find reasons to justify either raising or folding on the turn, so imo the call is ok.

On the river I agree that we have to bet vs BB.
BU can basically not have any better hands expect for Jx FDs and KJ which make up for 3-5 combinations (FD) depending on how loose he calls preflop and up to 6 combinations of KJ (if he doesn't raise the turn with top2, but it's possible since he might want to keep the fish in the hand).

Since he only needs to be bluffing the river 16% of the time to make a call profitable for us (basically one bluffcombination, maybe 2), I wonder if we can actually fold this.

Why would he minraise with a valuehand, he has $98 left and a shove looks weaker than a minraise actually (at least to me).
Also if he's bluffing by minraising he only has to be succesful 38% of the time to make it profitable for him, therefore I probably end up calling the river.
But imo folding is ok as well, even though he needs very few valuecombinations he might just never bluff in this spot so it could be -EV to call the riverraise.


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