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CRI4BRA
Joined: 14.02.2008

is there a pdf which gets all the lessons together?


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Hey Irina =)

Glad you liked my course.

First of all: There are no stupid questions imo. Just stupid answers. So if you have any further questions always feel free to ask!

The coloring was done by someone else. I just provided the range itself.
Afaik he used some kind of excel sheet for it. I will try to get a hold of it.

Your chart seems quite solid. You play quite a few more hands than the course suggests. That's not a problem as long as you feel comfortable postflop.
Your range would need some advanced knowledge and a solid skill in reading boards and opponents.
I wouldn't make it any looser for the moment. If you want to get a bit tighter the first hands to drop would be K6s, K7s and 76s.

In the end it is entirely up to you which range you want to use. It's just important that the ranges suit your play style.

Regards,
Asaban


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Originally posted by CRI4BRA
is there a pdf which gets all the lessons together?

Unfortunately, such a pdf file is not available.

Regards,
Asaban


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Thank you for your prompt reply.

As I wrote above I am a beginner player. And knowing how hard it is to be retrained, I want to build a proper foundation.
 
I'm a little expanded your chart for CO as consider:
- After playing a bit on the micro stakes seemed to me that the players are not used for other purposes BTN. Namely, do not attack the blinds to 50%.
- To reduce the difference between the proposed you the charts with CO (17%) and BTN (50%), and in order not to look from becoming too loose, I reduced its opening range from early position, removing from it AJo, KQo, 55, 66.
- I may not be right, but in poker there are three important positions at the table, namely CO, BTN and BB. So I expanded, because after the flop we will almost always in position.

All of the above described and motivated me a little bit to adjust your chart, maybe I'm wrong, and forfeit for it.

PS I'm still going to UTG of 77 and 88 is replaced by T8s and 86s, that serves several purposes. At a lower cost autopsy show that I open the trash out early.


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Tell me and you are going to do more advanced course?

I think that will be very useful to continue your work, and the benefits of this will not only new players, but also because the site new players improve their game and will slowly lose or even win, that this site will give more money with which they will pay a profit to pay for your work.
Underlined in red to read the administration.

In any case, I would like to offer the following topics:
- 3-bet.
- How to play AK if we do not hit on the flop.

Do you speak Russian? My english is very bad, translate through a translator, and I think that I read at least funny.

But I have a few more questions, if I could ask you to them, and how can I thank you for your answers?


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

An advanced course isn't currently planned. While that might change at some point, I wouldn't expect a course within the next few months.

Unfortunately I don't speak any russian. Only german and english.
Feel free to ask your questions anyways. I will try to figure out their meaning. Worked quite good so far.

Regards,
Asaban


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Guten Morgen liebe Trainer!

I have a question about a 3-bet.
We are in late position CO BTN, and we do not have information on the players (not enough hands).
If I 3-bet against one raiser with the following hands:

Hands JJ+,AKs,AKo(3%) I'll play 3-bet / call and hands A9s-AJs,A2s-A5s,KTs-KJs,QTs,ATo-AJo(4.8%) 3-bet / fold

What advice would you change / add?


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Same sitiation: We are in late position CO, BTN, and we do not have information on the players (not enough hands).

With these hands I'm going to play call

What advice would you change / add?

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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Grats on your royal flush ;)
Regarding the ranges it very much depends on your opponents' position, the tournament situation, the buyin, the table flow and the stacksizes.
I can't give you any general ranges for 3betting without the very situation.

However, your ranges look pretty good to me. You may want to think about hands like AJs which are a bit to valuable to turn them into a bluff by 3bet/folding them. Therefore it might be a better idea to just call. Makes you less readable at the same time because it strengthens your calling range which currently only consists of AQ, lower pockets and a few suited connectors.

That said these ranges would be suitable for higher limits rather then lower ones. Especially in micro stake tournaments I would generally 3bet less and call more - especially in position. You should have an edge against your opponents postflop - use it! There is no need for balancing in these stakes and therefore you shouldn't have a lot of bluffs in your 3betting range (if any). They just won't benefit you in any way because your opponents tend to call way too much in these stakes.

Regards,
Asaban


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Thank you very much for your help!


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

No problem!
If you have further questions feel free to ask!

Regards,
Asaban


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iSoOwnYou
Joined: 27.11.2014

just starting part 2 of the course have all my notes typed out from part 1 and am rearing to go!

you mentioned an excel sheet, if it's possible to get one that the graphics were created with that would be great as I would like to eventually try different ranges out - but for now i'm sticking with the system as I'm sure it will make me a winning player, thanks


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

You can download the excel sheet that was used to create the ranges here:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=1166796#post1166796

"Easy Display for Ranges" is the download you are looking for.

Regards,
Asaban


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Thank you!


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iSoOwnYou
Joined: 27.11.2014

Originally posted by IrinaGG
Thank you for your prompt reply.

As I wrote above I am a beginner player. And knowing how hard it is to be retrained, I want to build a proper foundation.
 
I'm a little expanded your chart for CO as consider:
- After playing a bit on the micro stakes seemed to me that the players are not used for other purposes BTN. Namely, do not attack the blinds to 50%.
- To reduce the difference between the proposed you the charts with CO (17%) and BTN (50%), and in order not to look from becoming too loose, I reduced its opening range from early position, removing from it AJo, KQo, 55, 66.
- I may not be right, but in poker there are three important positions at the table, namely CO, BTN and BB. So I expanded, because after the flop we will almost always in position.

All of the above described and motivated me a little bit to adjust your chart, maybe I'm wrong, and forfeit for it.

PS I'm still going to UTG of 77 and 88 is replaced by T8s and 86s, that serves several purposes. At a lower cost autopsy show that I open the trash out early.

Hey Irina interesting. when you say other persons are not used to the button is this because they are not respecting your raises and hence you find yourself getting called if this is the case then i would suggest this is probably a good thing because you're playing in position all of those hands and if they are not respecting your raises when they are in a weak position then chances are they are a weak player and playing in position against them with practically any holding will i'm sure be profitable certainly with the holdings that asaban has told us to play in position late on the table.

If you are very new it might be easier to play with a narrower range as this will mean you are seeing less flops with potentially dominated hands, as you said I imagine, but Asaban did say this will affect how we are perceived at the table.

It is a useful thing to remember the point that Asaban makes about us not being perceived as very tight players if you omit the wider range in late position the table then sees you as a very tight player (which you will be) this will mean that you can not get action as often when you raise and could damage your overall profitability with the stronger holdings.

i'm here to learn that's why i'm studying this course so i'm not pretending to know great deal about what i just said it is just my point of view it was nice reading your post. Good luck at the tables Irina!


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iSoOwnYou
Joined: 27.11.2014

Originally posted by Asaban
You can download the excel sheet that was used to create the ranges here:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=1166796#post1166796

"Easy Display for Ranges" is the download you are looking for.

Regards,
Asaban

thanks very much as Asaban


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IrinaGG
Joined: 20.10.2014

Originally posted by iSoOwnYou

Hey Irina interesting.
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Hi iSoOwnYou.

I do not quite understand all what you wrote, poor English. I really only at the beginning of my poker education. I chose this course because Asaban, as a Russian writer Chekhov, briefly, concisely laid out all the important concepts for a beginner MTT, on 2 pages of A4.
And I just want a little to expand this course, I think it will be helpful to all beginners.

I take this course as the layout, not as a guideline for action. I perceive it as a trend and not the way by which we should go anywhere without displacing. I understand that in poker there is no universal system (chart) acting on you'll win more than lose. Each hand - it's something new, unique (different stages of the tournament, stacks, position, image).

And I still think that the position of the CO must be thought of separately from the MP, especially at the lower limits where not all understand that when and why they do. As I wrote earlier, if you use CO as the second BTN in order to steal Blaine, and worry about your image, you can remove a few hands from early position in which you will have no advantages in post-flop play. It's just my thoughts, not to use as a guideline for action.


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iSoOwnYou
Joined: 27.11.2014

i iSoOwnYou.

I do not quite understand all what you wrote, poor English. I really only at the beginning of my poker education. I chose this course because Asaban, as a Russian writer Chekhov, briefly, concisely laid out all the important concepts for a beginner MTT, on 2 pages of A4.
And I just want a little to expand this course, I think it will be helpful to all beginners.

I take this course as the layout, not as a guideline for action. I perceive it as a trend and not the way by which we should go anywhere without displacing. I understand that in poker there is no universal system (chart) acting on you'll win more than lose. Each hand - it's something new, unique (different stages of the tournament, stacks, position, image).

And I still think that the position of the CO must be thought of separately from the MP, especially at the lower limits where not all understand that when and why they do. As I wrote earlier, if you use CO as the second BTN in order to steal Blaine, and worry about your image, you can remove a few hands from early position in which you will have no advantages in post-flop play. It's just my thoughts, not to use as a guideline for action.

I wished I could write as well in a foreign language as you can!

I think you make a good point that we should always think about what we are doing. I like your idea of modifying parts to suit your own game, I think that is a good advantage of the course, that we get a good foundation and we can then adapt our game as we see fit. For me a big learning point was bankroll, I knew we should work within bankroll but I didn't know we needed 250 buyins. This was a big learning point for me.

Good luck with your future poker! :f_drink:


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iSoOwnYou
Joined: 27.11.2014

Hi Asaban ,can you tell me for lesson 2 where we look at early play. You have a chart showing what we can play from various positions.

If I am playing a 6max mtt can i use the same chart or should it be different? So far I am using the same chart (but just last three charts as there's no EP)

Thanks for advice! :f_drink:

Greetz


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

You can use the charts! Simply leave out the early positions and you should be fine.
In the longrun you will need to adjust a bit more.
The chart is fine to start with, but especially for 6max tournaments you should be a bit looser in certain spots. The whole dynamic tends to be a bit more aggressive in these tournaments.

Regards,
Asaban


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