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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
There is a stat called river call efficiency (Call R Eff)
This might help sort out your problem.
Its definition is amt_r_call_won / amt_r_call
Another stat that might help sort this out is:
WSD % After Call R

Ideally Call R Eff should be > 1 but not too much greater.
If it is too much greater, then you are missing spots where a raise would have been better.

This stat does not address the common leak where one is in pos and checks back the river losing to a low pair when taking a stab would surely have won.
eg: you hold K♠:4♠: and the board is A♠:Q♠:3♦:7♦:2♣:
You bet the flop and get called, the turn goes check check.
The river goes check check and you lose to a pair of 5s.

Bluffcatching is a black art -- first you need to have decent showdown value, then you need to assess whether villain is bluffing or value betting.
In the first place, it's a bluff catch, in the second, it is a crying call -- you have too much equity to fold, but you don't have much hope of actually winning. Then it is a matter of assessing your equity vs the amount required to call.

Personally, I'm rubbish on both counts

Best of luck,
VS

thanks, looks like very useful information

btw something like on november 4, I started to cbet less - stopped cbetting flop with backdoor straighdraws as default. But doing as delayed cbet from time to time.
Doing delayed cbet looks weird with backdoor straigh draw, because it cannot improve to a straight anymore so its same as with complete air. But just doing so because in forum we analised hand

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2173603#post2173603

But my cbet stat over 3500 hands is 51 wich is on low side. But one NL20 guy say this stat is not so important. Weazel said sometime that 55 is optimal cbet and in micros 65 is optimal because players fold too often (at 2014).

So for this reason, I am really not sure if I really should stop cbeing backdoor straigh draw, because I am far from optimal stat.
I am not cbeting 2nd pairs where I see that overcards are not bad for me, like giving a draw, also not cbeting hand like A5 on A63 board by default, unless I see guy is calling station and can call 3 streets with many worse hands.
With made hands which I do not cbet - it happens that people bet ourselves, and if they not, I bet turn and river and its ok to get 2 streets of value.

Cbet flop succes over those 3500 hands is 47 % which is low having in mind that my cbet stat is low. Maybe its lack of sample size.

Another thing which I started doing - bluffcatcing less.
Had demo coaching with Pedro Almeida and he adviced to do so, because he pointed out few hands which I bluffcatch after line like when oponents calls flop, raises turn:

Hard to fold here an over pair vs not full stack. Like not full stacks usually go allin lighter.

I was also having thinking in general - he can bluff me with 3 barrel, but really today made some folds, like here:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 253.5 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 244 BB
UTG: 114.5 BB
MP: 157.5 BB
CO: 18.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ T♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦ 6♣ J♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

River: (30.5 BB, 2 players) 8♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 19.5 BB, fold,

eaerlier I would just auto call because I thinked - this is good spot to 3 barrel because board looks so scary. But he should cbet on flop with air really. Or maybe like 22,44, 55 - I just beat those if he goes crazy. Or hand like A5.
In theory he should have bluffs, if he wants to get calls from there on such board. But in reality they most often do not bluff that much.
And since I did not raise, I oftne might have bad hand, despite QTs, I am not sure should I call turn or should I raise with it. If I call turn, then I have good hand on river, but if I raise turn, then the best hand which I have is top pair on river and if I fold top pairs, he can easilby bluff any 2 on river.

But no info, so folded.

And the results since september 1:

NL5 goes bad, but pas days I am mainly playing NL2 zoom, and just one regular table with fish NL5.

Looks like at least NL2 does not crush me, so maybe I fixed my leak of bluffcatching too much, bluffing too much and so NL2 goes better, and if it continues so, will need to take shot with zoom at NL5 again.

And call river efficiency since september 1 is 1.51 so by this it means that I am not raising enough (I asume as value raise? ). Even on NL5 where I am loosing - its 1.4.

So it means I am winning often with those bluffcathes.

Actually looking at past few days - blue line started going up and it might be that because I started folding more to bets, which makes red line go down. So of course if I fold more, then I call with better hands and blue line goes up.
But still this 1.51 efficiency over all 2 months looked good. So not understanding what is happening.

Checked call river and won showdown stat - since sep 1 its 45.56%.
How much it should be? I assume - when oponent bets pot, when we call we need to win 1/3 of the time. When bets less, we need to win even less often. So 45 % is way more than that and should look good. Or I am wrong at somewhere?

But then again its the opposite of what I am trying to do - I try to blufcatch less but stats show that I am doing good. 88 hand shows that I should bluffcatch less, only that its not on river.

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
Checked call river and won showdown stat - since sep 1 its 45.56%.
How much it should be? I assume - when oponent bets pot, when we call we need to win 1/3 of the time. When bets less, we need to win even less often. So 45 % is way more than that and should look good. Or I am wrong at somewhere?

Hi, SPeedFANat1c,
You have to take the other player's tendencies into account.
Otherwise, your estimate of how often you'll win will be way off.

But other than that, you're right -- you need to win 1/3 of the time to break even.
Or, stated another way, you need 33% equity vs opponent's range to break even.

Do you have Equilab? If so you can use it to determine what range gives you the required equity.

Cheers,
VS

Do you have Equilab? If so you can use it to determine what range gives you the required equity.

yea, I do. Only problem is that we need to put correct villains range

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
Only problem is that we need to put correct villains range

Yeah, that is a problem, isn't it?
For that you need notes -- notes are better than stats for river plays, because stats require large numbers, and you're not going to get large numbers on most rooms.

Cheers,
VS

Good day again:

fun to play when this happens. Was not having long time winning in NL5 but one hand was awesome which increased day winrate significantly:

Who goes allin 200+ bb with top pair

Hi,

wow, the time is running so fast. Its been more than half month since last post. But not many are commenting there, so maybe also that affects me not writing here.

But I decided today its time to show my November results.

As you can see I was playing NL2, because was sick of going down at NL5 since september. NL2 was going good over small sample. 500 more hands played in octobers, so total about 10k hands NL2.

But at NL2 it felt that they are paying of much more than NL5. And NL5 is still micro limit, which I expect to be alsmost same as NL2, but that does not look so.

At least I am not loosing as much at NL5 now.

I do not know how in PT4 to group all NL5 variands - fast, ante and normal, so just showing zoom - this is since september 1:

so past hands looks breakeven.

WHat I changed is - started bluffcatch less, bluff less. Where I feel I am not sure if my bluffcatch is good, then I try to fold. Bluffcatching try to do vs agro players, not vs unknonws. But then there are many hands which really looks like good spot to bluff me out and so kind of leak.

For example here he can own me hard with his bluffs.
PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 54 BB
Hero (SB): 102.2 BB
BB: 212.6 BB
UTG: 122.4 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 42 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ Q♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7♥ 5♣ 5♦
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (6 BB, 2 players) 4♥
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (6 BB, 2 players) 3♠
Hero checks, BB bets 4 BB, fold

BB wins 5.8 BB

32/28 27h

I showed so much weakness - he really knows that I do not have much. If I would have at least pair , I would bet for protection at the turn.
Like if I have A4. But I am not sure, maybe on turn his overcards do not have that much equity that we should care? And so I should check turn with A4 and bluffcatch his bet like this?

Hey, SPeedFANat1c,
I read, but I don't always comment.

Nice giraffe!
Well it is -- it is levelling out over a decent sample. Now to get it going up!

To filter for multiple stakes in PT4 do this
On the cash games graph page, ensure that the four selection are:
All Games
All Stakes
All Dates
All Bet Types
Click on "Clear Filters" if it exists
Now click on "more filters"
Click on "Game Details" on the left and "Stakes" on the right.
Scroll down on the right to "All Holdem Stakes" and click the "On/Off" slider button.
Now scroll down and select all the different stakes you want in your graph.
When done, click the "Add to Filter" button.
That takes you back to the main filter window. There you can save this filter as a quick filter, so you don't need to go through this procedure each time you want it.

Now click "Save and apply Filter" and it will be reflected in your graph.

Enjoy,
VS

awesome weekend @NL5:

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Hey, SPeedFANat1c,
I read, but I don't always comment.

Nice giraffe!
Well it is -- it is levelling out over a decent sample. Now to get it going up!

To filter for multiple stakes in PT4 do this
On the cash games graph page, ensure that the four selection are:
All Games
All Stakes
All Dates
All Bet Types
Click on "Clear Filters" if it exists
Now click on "more filters"
Click on "Game Details" on the left and "Stakes" on the right.
Scroll down on the right to "All Holdem Stakes" and click the "On/Off" slider button.
Now scroll down and select all the different stakes you want in your graph.
When done, click the "Add to Filter" button.
That takes you back to the main filter window. There you can save this filter as a quick filter, so you don't need to go through this procedure each time you want it.

Now click "Save and apply Filter" and it will be reflected in your graph.

Enjoy,
VS

thanks and also for explaination

so since you know a bit of PT4, can you maybe answer to this question:
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=359595

because I am already starting to consider - importing hands to HM1 and do analisis, but play with PT4 ♦

HM1 is old but good, you can find things easily, too bad its not suported anymore. HM2 - my computer is too slow to play with it.

gl gl

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
so since you know a bit of PT4, can you maybe answer to this question:
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=359595

I had a go at it.
It works, but it might be that you are the one checking behind, not just villain.

VS

Hi,

yesterday had again good session, but was feeling tired at about 23:00 and stopped playing because of that.

But also why I am posting today, its because I wanted to share some nice music which I got from poker friend:

This is nightcore. Something new to my ears. Often I am sick of same music over and over again being played by radio stations. And especially they just pick like 5 popular songs and play them million times. If I would work in radio station and boss would tell to play same song, I would play it but, turn my volume down , and run some another music for me in the office ♦

yesteday was even more insane day:

Today I am trying one normal NL10 table I think, cause I am now confident with my play.

Also showed to my NL20 friend, he says I am loosing too much with redline because not doing river bluffs (not talking about this graph, but I showed grapsh since my come back).

I should be doing with hands like 8 high, because I can fold Qx, Kx, and stuff. As 3 barrels he said. I am afraid to do 3 barrels at NL5, because I think they will not fold. But he says even fish - folds to 3 barrels some of time. Thats because fish call flop cbet very light, turn cbet call with like 2nd pair, and its tough for them to call third barrel.

But not start cbet flop with crap of course.

But I am not sure if fish is the right target still. Unless we have info. We can make lot of mistakes by 3 barrel bluffing fish. He can call down with 2nd pair, he can even slowplay strong hands. But he might fold 3rd pair. He might fold missed draws, which we do not beat with 8 high, so that makes sense. but then - how often he has those draws. if we have 8 high, that means we had draw ourselves. So this reduces combos of draws, and still he has to have draw at the same time when we have 8 high. How oftehn is that.

But he might have very often top pair which he calls down 3 steets. So its all about how often things happen. Our 3rb barel work for sure some of the time. But will it work often enough.

starting NL10 together with NL5.

when playing, it does not feel like much more dificult. Picking up normal tables with fish. Maybe its variance. But feels like its eating my NL5 winings a lot

hi,

merry christmas

But poker day was terrible, comparing to what is expected on christmas, could not win the money. AA does not get paid.

so year has ended, here is the graph:

this is NL2 - NL10

at the end of graph there is played 1600 hands of NL10 and lost 77$, so this kills a lot - just few hands, kills 60k hands profit

plus earned 20 $ in bonuses. So 44 $ profit ♦ yey

had a good day

and NL10 goes back to breakeven so far, filtered since september 1:

hopefully this will continue to go up

wow, sick , week goes so fasst, and I only played yesterday for 1 hour - 340 hands. ANd it also was last hour before sleep, because so sikc taht I do not find time.

WHere my time goes:;

monday - I do no know where it went, I see taht I studied 1 hour - discussed hands., 0.7 hour - studying phychology
tuesday - 1.2 hour posting hands. - 0.7 phychology
wednesday - meet with gf, 0.3 hour psychology
thursday - 2 and 15 min programmers meetup, interesting one at least and after it 1 hour of play.
today - since now - half hour hand discuss. In half hour my friends come and we go to drink.

maybe I should track more time - like cooking food, going to shop and so on, I guess those take me a ton.

I am at home from work about 6 - 6:30 PM and go to sleep at 11 PM. So for evrfythign I should have 4.5 5 hours each day.

Maybe I should go to restaurants to eat, I am not sure ♦ but it feels like money wasting, cause I do not earn as much from poker per hour taht it could compensate eating at restaurant. Also it takes time there too till the waitreses bring food and it might be close. Usually it take half hour to cook and maybe 15 mins to eat. So total 45 mins. In restaurant I migt spend half hour or even more if there are many people. So probably not good.

Also I have resque time program. ANd I do not see that much on it something bad on monday for example:

cominication and scheduling - skype takes most - 48 mins, but on skype most likely discussed poker.

Facebook only 14 minutes.

Uncategorized - mostly poker sites- galvinbay.net 14 mins is the most from that.

hi, some time passed by since last post, I guess I will update, cause today was positive day

the most important thing that NL10 went so well and reduces loses.

This month I am up 52 $ - 66 $ at NL10 and -15$ at NL5
overall winrate this month 3.45 bb/100, over 10k hands. I dont get why NL5 this month goes so bad comparing to december.BUt since overal winrate is ok, then I guess I should not worry that much.

And my NL10 since come back is close to breakeven only 1 stack left to win.

of course sample is very low, but still gettin confidence back, cause the beggining when lost 8 stacks did not made me confident at all.

And NL5 since my come back:

And here is really wtf hand and villain of today sessions :

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2247903#post2247903

Update:
and some night core which I found good:

Insane day at NL10 - 6 stackss up in 316 hands !

NL5 as usual this month goes down.

And since my come back, I am finaly up at NL10 over small sample

And this month:

And one of the fun hands

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110.8 BB
SB: 89.4 BB
Hero (BB): 325.5 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 142.9 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ K♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 2 players) 6♠ 4♥ 9♣
SB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, SB raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (52 BB, 2 players) 3♥
SB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (88 BB, 2 players) 2♥
SB bets 45.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 45.4 BB

SB shows T♥ A♠ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 29%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows K♠ K♥ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 71%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 170.8 BB

So raise on dry board is not always strong