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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Originally posted by HuhtalaJ

Originally posted by ghaleon
Yeah sad day for every Finnish PS member. Best community I have ever been part of.

+1

But we can take over the English forum now!! :f_biggrin:

Looks like I better organise the troops for a Finnish invasion! :O


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

I'm already well prepared :O


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Tested NL2 to get more volume to Marathon challenge.

This hand came up, enjoy

http://www.boomplayer.com/fi/poker-hands/Boom/5732333_AF28D9C333


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Joined: 09.07.2010
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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Originally posted by Kyyberi
What is this, multibloggin'?

Yeah. I'm 3-tabling actively with 3 blogs and some are on hold for a while I'm a machine.

For Kyyberi's joy: One hand that I haven't shared with ye guys yet.

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/4172040_51F7C89BF9

:coolface:


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Got to share this one with you boys,

We took a small rumble with some friends of mine on PokerStars. Ofc, the leveling game got fairly high back there and even 5-bet bluffs had been seen on flop with total air Well, my giraffe for these:

And some wonderful hands:

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $12.50 (250 bb)
UTG: $20.05 (401 bb)
Hero (MP): $6.35 (127 bb)
CO: $10.30 (206 bb)
BTN: $2.32 (46.4 bb)
SB: $6.56 (131.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T 8
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.02) Q 5 Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.56, BB calls $0.56

Turn: ($2.14) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.10, BB calls $1.10

River: ($4.34) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Results:

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$4.34 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: Q 5 Q 8 7
BB showed K A and lost (-$2.16 net)
Hero showed T 8 and won $4.16 ($2 net)

And this.. I will always have at least bd-draw

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $14.25 (285 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)
CO: $9.98 (199.6 bb)
BTN: $6.73 (134.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A T
CO raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.38, BTN folds

Flop: ($1.14) 2 3 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $4.50 and is all-in, CO folds

Results:

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$3.34 pot ($0.14 rake)
Final Board: 2 3 6
Hero mucked A T and won $3.20 ($1.60 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$1.60 net)

:coolface:

E: short edit; last session 148,xx bb/100


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flin85
Joined: 30.01.2009

Signed, will read :)
Good luck CPallo
Thank you for rating)


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Originally posted by flin85
Signed, will read :)
Good luck CPallo
Thank you for rating)

Your welcome, m8 Nice to see someone reading here!

I will have a smallish pause from poker now for some days. I have a nasty flue that seems to be taking me down. It's getting worse all the time, but I have been cleaning and doing some homework before it get's worse _biggrin: Now I only have to worry about 2 essays, length 8-12 pages, to be done before Friday. Ez game!


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

What's better activity while being sick than playing Omaha?

NOT PLAYING OMAHA, the game seems to be somewhat rigged

I have noticed that everytime I'm ahed when we go all-in (which is often) they seem to be beating me for good. And sometimes when I'm behind I manage to make it back. Very weird game tbh. Perhaps it's not for me as luck will play such a major role even in long-term, and I have lacked of luck a lot lately.

I've been doing some essay preparations today considering some topics such as The ethics of historian. Hard to concentrate while you are sick, but no can do.

Luckily Mika Häkkinen can save your day. Funny guy _biggrin:

E: I usually don't cry about these, but meh. It's just been thiss all day long

http://www.boomplayer.com/fi/poker-hands/Boom/5839104_371CBBBEE1
http://www.boomplayer.com/fi/poker-hands/Boom/5839096_DE7601D5CE

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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Hi people,

Sorry for not updating in a long time. I have had so much to do lately with my university studies and with the Finnish Pokerstrategy.com part of the forum that I haven't had too much time for you guys! It's just so hard to try to keep up 2 blogs, but I will try my best ;)!

So, ATM I'm playing (again) NL25 on Pokerstars. I got close to NL50, but my studies are indeed expensive so I had to withdraw decent amount of money. I was in 500 dollars or so at one time. After that I've been grinding and withdrawing, not making that much progress on the levels. But my game has developed a lot!

So, I'm not gonna give you any updates on my NL25 success tonight. Topic is: how to maximize your value on micros. I'm tired ass today, So I went on to a little adventure on NL2, having some strategies:

1. Don't bluff
2. Maximize your value.

First part didn't went that well as I was a bit too tired and sometimes tried to bluff people that I shouldn't bluff. However:

This was the result for the short session. Not that much run good, but man, those guys have only 2 button on the software Call and fold. Other one is used a lot, the other is used only on river versus 3bb bet when your draw misses...

Then the 2nd part was to maximize your value. We all know that standard cbet sizing (NOTE! There is no "standard" in NLHE, you can use your own and adjust after playing a while) is 2/3-3/4 of pot, sometimes in some spots 1/2. Now I tried to think outside of the box and use sizes like 3x pot or only 1/12 of pot or so when it seemed like the right one.

One good example: We know our villain called 2 streets. He might or might not call the river, whether we bet 1/2 pot or overpot. He still has the call or fold button...

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $2 (100 bb)
SB: $0.97 (48.5 bb)
BB: $6.19 (309.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $6.29 (314.5 bb)
MP: $2.89 (144.5 bb)
CO: $4.35 (217.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO raises to $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.28, CO calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.59) T A 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

Turn: ($1.03) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.53, CO calls $0.53

River: ($2.09) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.26 and is all-in, CO calls $3.32 and is all-in

Results:

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$8.73 pot ($0.30 rake)
Final Board: T A 4 2 7
Hero showed A A and won $8.43 ($4.08 net)
CO showed 8 A and lost (-$4.35 net)

Then a second spot for overpotting; while we still might lose some value versus mid-pairs, we are getting the max+ from his TP's and hits. He ain't bluffing or value-betting us on that river, but he is rarely if ever folding 2p+

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $0.96 (48 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.04 (102 bb)
BB: $2.51 (125.5 bb)
UTG: $1.98 (99 bb)
MP: $2.24 (112 bb)
CO: $2.15 (107.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K 3
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06) J A 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.04, BB folds, CO calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.14) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.07, CO calls $0.07

River: ($0.28) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.91 and is all-in, CO calls $1.91

Results:

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$4.10 pot ($0.14 rake)
Final Board: J A 2 4 9
Hero showed K 3 and won $3.96 ($1.92 net)
CO showed 4 A and lost (-$2.04 net)

While overpotting might lose some value from time to time, you should still consider using it. On higher stakes - even from NL10 to above versus regs - it's quite a good way for bluffing, too, if you don't overuse it.

Just my 2 cents here. I was 2 lazy to find any 3bb river bluff for you. Just think of this concept, I'll be back :)!


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Hi guys,

First session behind, after this I'll go to get my laundry room turn for today as I'm heading to Tallinna on Friday. I want some clean clothes for that trip! >

First of all, why do my graphs look like this most of the time nowadays?

Oh, then I remember:

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $40.64 (162.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $27.35 (109.4 bb)
BB: $25.25 (101 bb)
UTG: $32.71 (130.8 bb)
MP: $26.20 (104.8 bb)
CO: $30.49 (122 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $4.90, 3 folds

Results:

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$5.20 pot
Hero mucked A J and won $5.20 ($3.10 net)

And then I think:

Spoiler

Anyway, going to play 1-2 sessions more today If I feel like it. See ya soon ;)!


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

The feeling when you are holding Aces and you see a jam versus your open-raise from a guy, who has 114 bb... :coolface: :coolface:

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $49.74 (199 bb)
SB: $24.50 (98 bb)
BB: $24.56 (98.2 bb)
Hero (UTG): $52.73 (210.9 bb)
MP: $22.50 (90 bb)
CO: $28.60 (114.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO raises to $28.60 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero calls $27.85, MP folds

Flop: ($58.30) K Q J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($58.30) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($58.30) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$58.30 pot ($2.00 rake)
Final Board: K Q J K 9
Hero showed A A and won $56.30 ($27.70 net)
CO showed 7 7 and lost (-$28.60 net)

Today was overall quite good, got +3 BI and stuff. I noticed that during my 3rd session I wasn't too concentrated anymore and I saw myself leaking a big amount of money in an instance. On the contrary, I was still able to play my B-game and stop before it went to C. So yes, I'm quite satisfied, especially for the first 2 sessions. Currently it seems like NL25 is a limit I can beat, unlike it was for a while ago. I'm listing quickly some reasons, why so:

1. I don't 3-bet that wide from BB versus steal positions
- I have that 3-bet range which has more than enough bluffs and value combos. I'm 3-betting hands that have some sort of playability versus a call

2. Developing a check range on flop/turn
- This has been quite important, too. I don't have to cbet every pot and lose 4-5 more bb's/pot when something just hits someone's range hard. Neither IP or OOP. However, OOP I have balanced this by ch/raising some sets or even strong 2p versus guys who love to bet vs missed cbet

3. Not overleveling
- Sometimes it might seem like some boards would be good for one to check/raise with air. Or to 4-bet vs my 3-bet on that board. Or sometimes we may overthink that a nit has developed a bluff 4-bet range.. No way _confused: _confused:!

Those have increased my winrate like 4-5bb/100 at least tbh. Small leaks made quite huge stream back then, but now I'm able to play small ball with hands that I want to etc!


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

So, I will post a small analyze and results here, too.

I played today 2x 50 min session NL25 and 1x 30min session. First two were good, first one better than the second, and on third I was able to play my A- -game for a while. At some point I dropped to B-game and it was close for me to start a losing streak. Well, the AA hand saved a bit.

After that I did some house keeping and then took another shot at...

NOTORIOUS, YET UNBEATABLE NL2 :coolface:

Indeed, I was wondering If I should become the first NL2 pro player in the world :f_cool: It's just way too easy to click buttons and collect all possible profits there and make a fortune. Way too easy..

Anyway, some results:

NL2 adventure

$7,67
BB/100: 76,39
Hands: 502

My main games on NL25:

$71,62
BB/100: 21,11
Hands: 1357

Conclusion: I think that I am not on a heater at NL2 tbh. I think holding a winrate way above 50bb/100 is actually possible. You just have to do your best and avoid speww (I even had +2d on red line today!)

On NL25 I'm quite confident that I'm beating the games. However, I'm not so sure that winrate +20bb is sustainable. My WR has been between 15-20 for 2 weeks though, but my volume isn't so huge that you could make any assumptions. We will see if that will correct. I will try to enjoy it as long as it lasts!

For my final statement, here's a hand and typical play from NL2 players.. I just CAN'T figure it out what are they trying to do with their small bets... :f_eek: :f_eek:

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $6.41 (320.5 bb)
SB: $0.94 (47 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.14 (107 bb)
UTG: $4.16 (208 bb)
MP: $1.15 (57.5 bb)
CO: $2.30 (115 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.09, SB calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.18) 5 K 7 (2 players)
SB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.50) A (2 players)
SB bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.39, SB calls $0.33

River: ($1.28) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.10, SB calls $0.20

Results:

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$1.88 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: 5 K 7 A 6
SB showed J K and lost (-$0.94 net)
Hero showed A K and won $1.81 ($0.87 net)

Until next time!


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

So, after hard day of university I discovered yet again that I'm out of juice for bigger limits, so decided to see whether I'm still able to beat NL2.

I was, I was doing 80 bb/100 yet again and thought that maybe I could play tired in NL5, too. So I took a jump there...

And all in all, got 1,5k hands, overall winrate of 51,32 bb/100 _biggrin: _biggrin: Seems like IF I would start playing on NL5 and play it some hours/day I could earn some nice income without thinking a lot... Seems like an interesting idea. Had some runbad during the session, though, and I wasn't able to hit a spot on NL5 to use my superb overbet strategy for max value (okay, did 1 or 3 times it, but not more..)

Best news here: I even ran 4d under EV

BUT I wasnt' always the one who was betting, see this One hand where I took abuse of my villain's huge aggression was this spot:

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $0.73 (14.6 bb)
SB: $3.22 (64.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.23 (104.6 bb)
UTG: $5 (100 bb)
MP: $9.32 (186.4 bb)
CO: $8.10 (162 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q T
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.12, 2 folds, SB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.36) Q 6 T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.17, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.68, MP calls $0.51

Turn: ($1.72) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.32, MP calls $1.32

River: ($4.36) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.18, Hero calls $3.11 and is all-in

Results:

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$10.58 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: Q 6 T 4 9
Hero showed Q T and won $10.14 ($4.91 net)
MP showed 5 4 and won $0.00 (-$5.23 net)

Villain was aggro, yeah, so far bet vs missed on flop and turn 100 %. He was cbetting all the time, too. When I raise flop I have some draws as well as 2p+ in my range, so when he just calls I put him on a draw or even some strong Kx, never set.

River isn't as bad one as it completes JK, but all in all nothing else. His range is very weak here and he might even jam sometimes with KQ against my ch, so easy ch/call here vs HIM!

And a second hand I like a lot... Villain was a bit nittish PRE-flop, so when he 3-bets that huge I put him on a strong hand, QQ+, AK mostly. So no need to 4-bet as we are flipping most likely. Easy call pre-flop as he ain't folding QQ...

Flop is best one for us ever, so call here. Turn is a brick and he checks, so I took a small stabb as we will get our money in by the river anyway. Now he obviously spotted some weakness here... :coolface:

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $6.87 (137.4 bb)
SB: $4.56 (91.2 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.24 (104.8 bb)
Hero (MP): $5.16 (103.2 bb)
CO: $7.98 (159.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.55, SB folds

Flop: ($1.55) K 2 K (2 players)
BB bets $0.92, Hero calls $0.92

Turn: ($3.39) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.26, BB raises to $3.38 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.12

River: ($10.15) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$10.15 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: K 2 K 7 J
BB showed Q Q and lost (-$5 net)
Hero showed K A and won $9.73 ($4.73 net)

Okay, now I'll start my weekend and quit poker for few days. See ya around :f_love:


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Hi,

I couldn't help myself, yet again, to not to play poker

Today's graph

WR: 55,06 bb/100.

The first uphill on the graph is on NL2, after that I moved to NL5 which lowered my bb/100 a little bit ;< Anyway, it seems like microstakes are beatable after all.

I should just motivate myself for grinding more NL25 and beat all the players! I think I'll try to find some material about this..


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Joined: 30.12.2010

Now I get it why you played nano :)

Will follow your blog from now on mate.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Originally posted by FFRRAANNKKIIEE
Now I get it why you played nano :)

Will follow your blog from now on mate.

Thanks I'm already following you mate :f_thumbsup:


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

How to beat microstakes?

1. Have a game plan. Know what you do against opponent's move.
2. Don't bluff.
3. If you bluff, do it against the right opponent :coolface:

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $5.99 (119.8 bb)
SB: $3.54 (70.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.19 (103.8 bb)
UTG: $4.95 (99 bb)
MP: $3.49 (69.8 bb)
CO: $4.88 (97.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.22, SB folds, Hero calls $0.17, MP calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.68) 6 5 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.68) K (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, MP folds

River: ($1.48) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2.40, BTN folds

Results:

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$3.28 pot ($0.14 rake)
Final Board: 6 5 8 K 8
BTN mucked and lost (-$1.52 net)
Hero mucked J A and won $3.14 ($1.62 net)

That way we might skyrocket our income in no time!

Anyway, short session on Zoom after my long weekend. Was tired as a.. Tire? And had some 140bb/100 winrate, which happened due to some weird hands. Now I play some tournaments, hopefully I hit my onetimer..


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

Okay guys!

Time to put some more effot on NL25. Now I'll just try whether or not I'm able to beat this level clearly - if not, it seems like I can play NL5 with winrate of over 30 with decent sample, thus earning dollars quite quickly. I really do need only like 250d/month to survive here, so IF I could get that with barely no effort I will do it on NL5.

Well, updating something exciting soon _biggrin:


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Joined: 12.04.2012

So,

Played 2 sessions on two zoom tables on NL25. Had quite solid game, in some spot I noticed I made a mistake but otherwise well played. Overall I was able to get 1106 hands, wins 92,34d. Ran a bit over ev when I had CO vs SB spot where villain 5bet snap AI with KK (Nits usually snap with nuts :DD) but I was able to kick hiz ballz and beat him :f_cool: :f_cool:

One hand, this was weird one versus aggro player O_O

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $12.44 (49.8 bb)
SB: $57.91 (231.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $30.63 (122.5 bb)
UTG: $37.02 (148.1 bb)
MP: $117.17 (468.7 bb)
CO: $57.34 (229.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.35, MP calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.80) 5 3 J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.80) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5.75, Hero calls $5.75

River: ($21.30) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP raises to $106.57, Hero calls $17.03

Results:

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$61.36 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 5 3 J K 5
Hero showed A A and won $59.36 ($28.73 net)
MP showed T 8 and won $0.00 (-$30.63 net)

Well... River I was obviously bet/folding, so nice raise :coolface:


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