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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010
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LoooooL! And I thought I've seen a lot because of the big sample of micro/low stakes games that I've played! Haha... Not much to say here. :f_eek: It just doesn't make any sense. None of it. I mean....cmon! I'm still shocked because of his line.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008
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Apropos of my most recent post, I offer the following hand for your delectation. Villain is my overbetting friend:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $100(BB) Replayer
SB ($4,365)
Hero ($2,650)
BTN ($4,985)

Dealt to Hero Q♠ 6♥

fold, SB calls $50, Hero checks

FLOP ($200) K♥ 8♣ T♣

SB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($200) K♥ 8♣ T♣ K♣

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($200) K♥ 8♣ T♣ K♣ 6♣

SB bets $400, Hero calls $400

Spoiler

SB shows J♦ 5♦ (Pre 41%, Flop 24.5%, Turn 13.6%)

Hero shows Q♠ 6♥ (Pre 59%, Flop 75.5%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero wins $1,000

My call may be questionable (it would be downright terrible without history), but sometimes you just gotta know. Really don't understand his overbet here. I'm not folding any club and Jack high should be good enough of the time so that checking down looks fine and I think the overbet is suboptimal (compared to checking).

3 more hands against him that cheered me up:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
($6,390)
Hero ($5,610)

Dealt to Hero 9♦ K♠

Hero raises to $425, calls $225

FLOP ($850) 2♠ 5♣ 2♣

checks, Hero checks

TURN ($850) 2♠ 5♣ 2♣ 5♥

checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($850) 2♠ 5♣ 2♣ 5♥ K♣

checks, Hero bets $425, calls $425

shows 7♠ J♠
(Pre 39%, Flop 27.1%, Turn 22.7%)

Hero shows 9♦ K♠
(Pre 61%, Flop 72.9%, Turn 77.3%)

Hero wins $1,700

In my response to the suggestion that calling Jack high in this spot was curious, he said he was "playing the board". I've only just realised what he meant :facepalm: But still, I am wondering whether his call can be good. Wouldn't I bet earlier in the hand if I just wanted to take it down? And wouldn't I bet more on the River if I wanted to get him off a chop. Not sure... I think he is probably just a suspicious of me as I am of him :)

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
($6,240)
Hero ($5,760)

Dealt to Hero T♣ 6♠

Hero calls $200, checks

FLOP ($800) 3♣ Q♦ T♠

bets $800, Hero calls $800

TURN ($2,400) 3♣ Q♦ T♠ 6♦

bets $1,200, Hero calls $1,200

RIVER ($4,800) 3♣ Q♦ T♠ 6♦ T♥

checks, Hero bets $3,360 (AI), calls $3,360

shows 9♥ Q♥
(Pre 67%, Flop 81.6%, Turn 18.2%)

Hero shows T♣ 6♠
(Pre 33%, Flop 18.4%, Turn 81.8%)

Hero wins $11,520

Again, I think his River call here is pretty optimistic (but I welcome your opinions, guys). I'm never shoving worse Qx for value so my hand is either Tx, or KJ. But JK is hardly in my preflop limping range...

Thankfully after this he went on tilt a bit and called off 6bb with T4o which is just plain bad (Nash is T7o, and I think the difference is relatively substantial here).

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer
($2,320)
Hero ($9,680)

Dealt to Hero J♥ K♥

Hero raises to $9,680 (AI), calls $1,920 (AI)

FLOP ($4,640) 2♥ 8♥ 7♦

TURN ($4,640) 2♥ 8♥ 7♦ K♣

RIVER ($4,640) 2♥ 8♥ 7♦ K♣ 7♣

shows T♥ 4♣
(Pre 29%, Flop 16.0%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows J♥ K♥
(Pre 71%, Flop 84.0%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $4,640

So first prize was mine, but much more important is that the illusion of invincibility has been lifted somewhat from his persona. It's really strange: For about the first 10 or so games we played together I thought he was really fishy (stats consistent at 26/9) with lots of limping. Then I finally got suspicious and checked his graph. I got the shock of my life when I saw he was crushing the game, marked him "orange" for danger and gradually I've built him up into this bond-villain genius nemesis character who I can't seem to beat. Thus it's pretty gratifying to see that he is human after all and makes mistakes just like the rest of us (albeit rather fewer than the rest of us).


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nice hands tim. his river call on the last hand is suspect. he only beats air.

if he tilts easily you might be able to find some nice value spots vs him if you can get him to tilt on 6 tables, its GG for him.


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Tim64 Topic starter
Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008
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Originally posted by lessthanthreee
nice hands tim. his river call on the last hand is suspect. he only beats air.

if he tilts easily you might be able to find some nice value spots vs him if you can get him to tilt on 6 tables, its GG for him.

Yes, my guess is that, from the steadiness of his graph, tilt is not one of his big weaknesses. But we must exploit where we can...

Thanks again for your time in strategy-talk.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008
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Thought I would post this graph to show EV winnings on PP since BF.

Makes me smile.


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fusionpk
Joined: 21.01.2010
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Originally posted by Tim64
Thought I would post this graph to show EV winnings on PP since BF.

Makes me smile.

:f_love:


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LgWz
Joined: 26.05.2007
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Nice


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solid brag almost $3 per game


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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very nice graph Tim :) amazing giraffe!


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Nice hands once again, the potbet river thing has already made me a bunch of $$, thnx for that :f_biggrin:

Also very solid EV graph, gg!


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Wriggers
Joined: 21.07.2009
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Sick graph ITT _cool: _cool:


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vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008
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wish I could have such a graph to show!!
Nice 1!!!


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008
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Didn't fall asleep till 6am this morning. Stupidly decided to watch the remake of Willard which started at 2.00am. It was actually a reasonably effective horror flick. The wizzened old mum with staring eyes and mentally unstable mommas-boy son stalwarts of the genre since Hitchcock's primus inter pares, Psycho.

Big night at the tables too, so after the wired-up film my racing mind and sore throat kept me tossing and turning...

Felt lousy today. Lounged around and watched episodes of The Wire and Grey's Anatomy and praised the lord I could just take a sickie with no permission needed or difficult phonecalls where you do the croaky voice thing. As for poker, watched Faarcyde's latest video - that guy is the nutsssssssssss - and shipped a few HUSnGs which I am enjoying more now that my postflop play has improved.

Just went on <3's blog and saw something about FTP. Checked the news ( http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Full-Tilt-Poker-Deal-Signed;-Exclusive-Statement-Here_53852/ ) and apparently the deal's been signed and it's official. Can't quite believe it but it's pretty fantastic news. Will do a lot for getting poker's rep back on track. Just hope we can get back on by Xmas. Remember, they still need a licence; can't imagine they will welcomed back (or want to be) by Alderney...

Anyway, off to bed to read Matt Dickinson's The Death Zone, about a tragedy-filled year in Everest's history (and no, I don't mean the glitchy-software-french-poker-site). Finished Julian Barnes' The Sense of An Ending the other night. Nice to be reading again. Life is good.


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Joined: 03.11.2008
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$55+5 HU SnG. First hand. Villain unkown, though a reg, with some nice MTT cashes.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
($2,000)
Hero ($2,000)

Dealt to Hero T♠ 2♠

Hero calls $20, checks

FLOP ($80) J♠ T♣ T♥

checks, Hero bets $45, calls $45

TURN ($170) J♠ T♣ T♥ 3♠

checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($170) J♠ T♣ T♥ 3♠ 3♦

bets $160, Hero raises to $400, raises to $1,915 (AI), Hero calls $1,515 (AI)

shows 9♣ K♣
(Pre 63%, Flop 16.9%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero shows T♠ 2♠
(Pre 37%, Flop 83.1%, Turn 93.2%)

Hero wins $4,000

_biggrin:


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dydukas
Joined: 01.05.2009
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Hey, did you switch to HU? :O


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MrMardyBum
Joined: 14.03.2009
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Sick graph man... I can only hope one day mine looks half as good.

Keep up the awesome work :)


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sneaky bastard tim. wtf was this guy thinking on the river.


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Gavron23
Joined: 26.05.2010
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Originally posted by Tim64
$55+5 HU SnG. First hand. Villain unkown, though a reg, with some nice MTT cashes.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
($2,000)
Hero ($2,000)

Dealt to Hero T♠ 2♠

Hero calls $20, checks

FLOP ($80) J♠ T♣ T♥

checks, Hero bets $45, calls $45

TURN ($170) J♠ T♣ T♥ 3♠

checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($170) J♠ T♣ T♥ 3♠ 3♦

bets $160, Hero raises to $400, raises to $1,915 (AI), Hero calls $1,515 (AI)

shows 9♣ K♣
(Pre 63%, Flop 16.9%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero shows T♠ 2♠
(Pre 37%, Flop 83.1%, Turn 93.2%)

Hero wins $4,000

_biggrin:

Wow :) Thats a nice 60$ gift :)
Shouldn't you be betting the turn?


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Tim64 Topic starter
Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008
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@dydukas; no - just to help with volume + variety
@MrMardyBum; ty, sir :)
@<3, dunno; maybe thought I was raising a J for value vs A high or s/thing crazy...
@Gavron23; Maybe vs a known opponent (so we can stab/barrel air too). But imo when unknown villain calls stab on this flop it's like he's getting ready to make a move. Cos what can he have, other than 89 or s/thing? KQ will raise pre. So this looks like bluff float already and if we barrel turn we make it more likely in his eyes that we have something (and therefore less likely he will get funky).


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