Originally posted by taavi1337
soft field, eh?
Yeah couldnt be much softer I suppose.
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Originally posted by ghaleon
Originally posted by taavi1337
soft field, eh?Yeah couldnt be much softer I suppose.
well at these stakes probably hard to find softer, but when you try PLO5, PLO10, PLO2 ♦ ... im sure there is more fish:f_thumbsup:
Originally posted by taavi1337
well at these stakes probably hard to find softer, but when you try PLO5, PLO10, PLO2 ♦ ... im sure there is more fish:f_thumbsup:
I tried playing PLO 2 yesterday, and just couldn't get over having to play 6-way limped pots.
I won a couple of pots from the BB, and a few more when I potted over a bunch of limpers, but in general it was really difficult to do anything other than play my own hand strength, since no clues about other players' ranges existed
Gambling with QJ93ds vs assumed AA is not THAT horrible. 
Yeah but imo its pretty bad to open and call cold 4bet with QJ93ds. My SB 3bet range obviously include quite a few hands that dominate his hand. That is probably clearly worst decision in villain play. Open raise is ok though somewhat marginal and when I 5bet and he has invested so much already I suppose its stack off then.
Originally posted by taavi1337
but they are weak so you sure can make money by outplaying them?
In those very limp happy tables outplaying on big part comes from having preflop range that perform way better in multiway than opponents ranges. Meaning nuttiness is big big thing. Very often if iso raising versus one limper you get 3way pots. With multiple limpers its very often even more players. Of course we can still play better postflop than opponents but there is rarely good spots to go for low equity blocker bluff plays. Especially if people are call happy postflop as well which is likely especially in micro stakes.
Sort of funny thing is that if I compare PLO10, PLO25 and PLO50 in unibet I would say aggressiveness increase higher you go but there is also way more of those guys that end up way overplaying hands. In PLO10 its actually lot of limp, limp, limp stuff and almost never 3bets from what I have seen. There are limpers in higher ones also but iso raising and 3betting definitely increase.
Yesterday I did run into one guy 4betting with some JT87ds from CO vs my SB 3bet. Had AAxx that I 5bet and we went allin. Happened to lost that time but yeah I thought in game that villain play is probably solver approved. I checked now and indeed its 4bet solver wise. Though assumption is that I fold 40% of hands which might be close with me. But problem with this play versus general population tends to be lack of fold equity.
For example in my shoes in SB KKxx!AA should fold almost 90% of time to 4bet. But there are ton of people who likely wont fold even half of them.
Of course it is bad to play QJ93 that way. But equity-wise vs AAxx it's not horrible. And if he thinks that 3bet is AAxx and 4bet is AAxx, QJ93ds has the best equity 3way. So the most important question for opponent is how he sees your 3bet range there.
Solver assumes everyone playes perfect solver strategy, unless forced to do something else. In reality population doesn't fold as often to 3bets/4bets as solver assumes, so playing pure solver strategy is not optimal. Correct adjustment is not to 3bet/4bet hands that rely on high FE to be profitable.
Around 30€ down today. Though lost few 100€ pots in PLO50 with 70-80% equity. Though this one did help quite a bit. EP open limp, I iso raise, CO call and EP call. Flop EP donk bet, I raised and we got it allin 3way. Pretty neat to have 61% equity on flop 3way.
This one was pretty nice surprise. Open CO and SB 3bet. On flop SB pot and just called though I suppose shove would be fine. Luckily turn was not A or 9 as I would have folded those. Villain having 3 outs to win.
Well played another very short session. This one was pretty big hand. 3bet from SB versus BU open and called 4bet. Seems to be call in plotrainer with 100bb stacks also and I think value increase with close to 200bb stacks as there is more implied in hitting set.
Weird hand today. Wonder what the good customer on BU had in this one... Raising into 46€, leaving 40€ behind and then folding. When preflop aggressor likely never folds anyway. Well it was nice almost 100bb extra
Game #1603692468: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 18:22:06 2021/12/19
Seated players
Seat 1: bignob (€179.01) (sitting out)
Seat 2: Archili (€139.38)
Seat 3: koko13 (€93.79)
Seat 4: sorryUloose (€46.92)
Seat 5: GucciMane5 (€39.19)
Seat 6: Avatar01 (€26.88) (sitting out)
Blinds and button
koko13 has the button
sorryUloose posts small blind €0.25
GucciMane5 posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Archili J♦:9♦:8♥:K♥:
Preflop
Archili raises €1.75 to €1.75
koko13 calls €1.75
sorryUloose raises €7.25 to €7.50
GucciMane5 folds
Archili calls €5.75
koko13 calls €5.75
Flop J♠:8♣:J♥:
sorryUloose bets €23
Archili calls €23
koko13 raises €46 to €46
sorryUloose calls €16.42, and is all-in
Archili raises €108.88 to €131.88, and is all-in
koko13 folds
Uncalled bet returned to Archili: €85.88
Showdown
Turn 7♥:
River 7♣:
Archili shows J♦:9♦:8♥:K♥:, Full House
sorryUloose shows A♦:A♥:Q♥:2♦:, Two pairs, Aces up
Archili wins main pot, €138.26
Archili wins side pot #1, €13.16
Summary
Total pot €154.42 Rake €3
Got into one of these "gamble" spots today in plo50 table. So CO open, BU call, I squeeze from SB, BB 4bet, CO 5bet and BU fold. Those 4 and 5bet were also very fast ones so I thought there is very very high chance of them both having AAxx. So thought its probably better to call than fold. Well 40% equity 3way so definitely fine.
Have not been playing much during Christmas time. But today had few hours of play and lets post one hand from end of session. Posted some on hand analyze area also.
I think this hand is pretty standard from both side and perhaps you could even say pure setup. I think GTO wise villain call down is mandatory. But what I started to think on this hand is if I would practically ever try to bluff here as default line? Had been playing like two orbits in table so unknown villain.
Anyway I checked T5222 runout in plotrainer (limited options) and there solver used lot of 5x combos like A653 for bluffing. In this case though I think value of 2 is zero as 22 obviously loses to all pockets. So I would imagine GTO wise we would use perhaps Tx more as bluff. But yeah tough spot to be bluffing especially on this river with 3 and TT only as value range. So perhaps spot where BU could fold even this combo as exploit versus most opponents.
Game #1608169369: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 22:56:33 2021/12/27
Seated players
Seat 1: littlebaby2 (€23)
Seat 2: chikinana (€68.82)
Seat 3: Larie (€47.50)
Seat 4: matilda14 (€103.99)
Seat 5: Happy_Smile (€19.66)
Blinds and button
matilda14 has the button
Happy_Smile posts small blind €0.25
littlebaby2 posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Larie T♥:8♦:T♣:8♣:
Preflop
chikinana folds
Larie raises €1.75 to €1.75
matilda14 raises €6 to €6
Happy_Smile folds
littlebaby2 folds
Larie calls €4.25
Flop T♦:3♥:2♦: (12.3€)
Larie checks
matilda14 checks
Turn 3♠: (12.3€)
Larie bets €9.56
matilda14 calls €9.56
River 3♣: (30.75€)
Larie bets €31.87
matilda14 calls €31.87
Showdown
Larie shows T♥:8♦:T♣:8♣:, Full House, Tens full
matilda14 shows 9♠:A♠:4♠:A♥:, Full House, Threes full
Larie wins €92.61
Well, have you ever seen anyone bluff there on the river vs 3bettor? I haven't. Especially with those sizings.
Although I have seen similar brainfart bluffs from total maniacs, but those are quite rare. I would say that on average folding river with AA is a LOT better than calling. That is at least 90% for value, readless. At least.
Yeah that is really bad river to bluff so as default bluffing is bad. Then again versus reggy player it can be working well but most likely play that at least these limits is not working as folding AA or KK type hand there does require lot of discipline.
I think sizing wise 3/4 and pot makes lot of sense as we are saying to have AA beat.
Huge pot in session I played moment ago. Both villains were playing way too wide and somewhat crazy.
Game #1609036464: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 15:48:26 2021/12/29
Seated players
Seat 1: goingupstake (€23.14)
Seat 2: KoneenPoltto (€204.61)
Seat 3: poos4 (€104.76)
Seat 4: Larie (€113.89)
Seat 5: Condoriano (€18.13)
Seat 6: TakeOfff (€182.02)
Blinds and button
Condoriano has the button
TakeOfff posts small blind €0.25
goingupstake posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Larie A♥:Q♠:J♠:5♥:
Preflop
KoneenPoltto raises €1 to €1
poos4 folds
Larie raises €3.75 to €3.75
Condoriano folds
TakeOfff raises €6.25 to €6.50
goingupstake folds
KoneenPoltto calls €5.50
Larie calls €2.75
Flop 8♥:3♥:2♥:
TakeOfff bets €10
KoneenPoltto folds
Larie calls €10
Turn 3♣:
TakeOfff bets €28.50
Larie calls €28.50
River J♣:
TakeOfff bets €97
Larie calls €68.89, and is all-in
Uncalled bet returned to TakeOfff: €28.11
Showdown
Larie shows A♥:Q♠:J♠:5♥:, A Flush
TakeOfff shows Q♦:5♦:8♣:7♦:, Two pairs, Eights up
Larie wins €231.78
Bit later played this versus the other guy. Perhaps lost value with half pot sizings on turn and river but I really didnt expect him to be that strong. Had been sort of guy that would have likely bet flop or turn if he had like A7 or set. Plus I think if he had some boats he might even x-r my river bet. So I aimed to get some weaker stuff like plain Ax to make hero call but perhaps should have gone bigger even both street.
Game #1609040879: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 15:57:37 2021/12/29
Seated players
Seat 2: KoneenPoltto (€247.69)
Seat 3: poos4 (€135.14)
Seat 4: Larie (€225.28)
Seat 5: DonalldTrmp (€34.56)
Seat 6: TakeOfff (€50) (sitting out)
Blinds and button
DonalldTrmp has the button
KoneenPoltto posts small blind €0.25
poos4 posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Larie A♣:T♣:2♥:A♦:
Preflop
Larie raises €1.75 to €1.75
DonalldTrmp raises €6 to €6
KoneenPoltto calls €5.75
poos4 folds
Larie raises €22.75 to €24.50
DonalldTrmp folds
KoneenPoltto calls €18.50
Flop 6♦:3♥:7♣:
KoneenPoltto checks
Larie checks
Turn A♠:
KoneenPoltto checks
Larie bets €27.75
KoneenPoltto calls €27.75
River 3♦:
KoneenPoltto checks
Larie bets €55.50
KoneenPoltto calls €55.50
Showdown
KoneenPoltto shows 8♥:9♣:J♥:3♣:, Three of a kind, Threes
Larie shows A♣:T♣:2♥:A♦:, Full House
Larie wins €219
Biggest lost pot was this. I think turn bet-call is fine even though its bit -EV if villain always have straight. But I think he might potentially have some JJ or AK+fd etc. and then its definitely fine line. Was thinking of turn check but dont really want to give free river with fd out there and I did block straight a little bit.
Game #1609043419: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 16:02:46 2021/12/29
Seated players
Seat 1: Litek7 (€48.25)
Seat 2: KoneenPoltto (€130.19) (sitting out)
Seat 3: poos4 (€132.39)
Seat 4: Larie (€345.82)
Seat 5: DonalldTrmp (€32.11)
Blinds and button
Litek7 has the button
poos4 posts small blind €0.25
Larie posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Larie K♦:7♦:K♣:T♥:
Preflop
DonalldTrmp folds
Litek7 raises €1.75 to €1.75
poos4 folds
Larie raises €5 to €5.50
Litek7 calls €3.75
Flop 6♣:J♣:A♦:
Larie bets €5.62
Litek7 calls €5.62
Turn K♥:
Larie bets €11.24
Litek7 raises €37.13 to €37.13, and is all-in
Larie calls €25.89
Showdown
River 2♦:
Litek7 shows Q♥:9♦:T♣:9♣:, A Straight
Larie shows K♦:7♦:K♣:T♥:, Three of a kind, Kings
Litek7 wins €93.75
Bit down today in single session I played. Some big pots that didnt go my way like having double gs and nfd in 3bet pot versus top set. Then some where I had oesd and nfd and pair. RIvered trips and hero called to run into boat.
Biggest won pot was this one. Got to love these guys when you have actual hand at least So villain limped, I iso raised and bet half pot on flop and then potted turn and river. Got snap called on both street.
Got to love players like these. Referring mainly to river call. Well I get that he is getting awesome pot odds but its pretty much impossible for me to show up with hand that he could beat. Especially when I cbet into empty side pot in first place.
Game #1615538632: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 21:06:15 2022/01/09
Seated players
Seat 1: Wegotodubai (€103.14)
Seat 2: vitunpassi (€47)
Seat 3: migeluu (€68.55)
Seat 4: raagsheed (€50)
Seat 5: Mipelie (€45.75)
Seat 6: Lagopusss (€2.06)
Blinds and button
vitunpassi has the button
migeluu posts small blind €0.25
raagsheed posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt in migeluu
Dealt in raagsheed
Dealt to Mipelie J♦:K♠:J♣:K♦:
Preflop
Mipelie raises €1.75 to €1.75
Lagopusss raises €2.06 to €2.06, and is all-in
Wegotodubai calls €2.06
vitunpassi folds
migeluu calls €1.81
raagsheed folds
Mipelie calls €0.31
Flop J♠:8♣:4♠:
migeluu checks
Mipelie bets €6.55
Wegotodubai calls €6.55
migeluu folds
Turn 3♦:
Mipelie bets €21.84
Wegotodubai calls €21.84
River 9♥:
Mipelie bets €15.30, and is all-in
Wegotodubai calls €15.30
Showdown
Wegotodubai shows Q♠:A♠:5♠:Q♥:, A Pair of Queens
Mipelie shows J♦:K♠:J♣:K♦:, Three of a kind, Jacks
Lagopusss shows T♠:4♥:7♠:A♥:, A Straight
Lagopusss wins main pot, €8.43
Mipelie wins side pot #1, €84.69
Summary
Total pot €96.12 Rake €3