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Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Okay, this is a bit of a vent post to put a couple of things down in print.

As I posted earlier today I'm running well. This means that despite a withdrawl this month (and thanks to an instant bonus at 888.com) I'm as near rolled for $2/$4 SH as makes no difference. So I'm an excited camper at the moment and that bugs me a bit. There is no reason to get excited. I'm neither rolled nor equipped to play at a decent limit (for me $5/$T+), I'm still at the very beginnings of a long learning curve and playing $2/$4 is just a marker on that curve.

This is the mindset I believe is essential to succeed at this game. Emotion only buggers things up for you, makes you play less optimally and make tainted decisions. Some of those decisions may work out, but so does betting on 0 at the roulette wheel every now and then (and on those occassions it often pays for several beers, a curry and some tequila shooters!). Emotion is, in many important respects, -EV.

Yes we are emotional beings and emotion does have a part to play in motivating us to achieve. But when you are making decisions at the table, making decisions on study:play ratios, making decisions on BRM - your emotions make optimal decision making difficult.

So I've been mulling over a couple of things and I guess here they are:

i. From the point of view of reason and logic I should start playing $2/$4 SH more or less immediately. Why? Well, someone who isn't results oriented understands that the BRM rules are just reasonable threshholds to avoid going busto.

If you don't lend weight to the results you get from moving up, and instead regard them for what they are (ie variance + our skill + villians skill/table selection - rake) then a move up or a move down is simple.

Emotion is getting in the freakin' road though and I'm not confident I have it in check. I'm completely aware and understand that a 300BB Hurricane Katrina of a run could strike at any time and flatten my bankroll. This shouldn't matter in the slightest.. but I can already see the blog posts that could easily follow a run like that! :f_mad:

ii. A second approach is to go all conservative on things and just play $2/$4 FR (which I've already started) including SH games at FR tables - waiting for a 625 - 750BB BRM to move up. That way a period of sustained negative variance is more easily withstood and allows more time to get established at the higher limit. The emotional rollercoaster gets flattened into more of a merry-go-round. WHEEEEE! :f_p:

I don't like this conservative approach for a couple of reasons. One is for reasons stated in i. above - it doesn't stand up from a purely rational perspective. Secondly if I want to start getting real value from this game I need to beat $2/$4 and build a roll that is robust enough to start looking at $3/$6. Given the BRM jump between the two is proportionally the least of all jumps - and I think that point is often missed in FL BRM discussions - I think that point is the best opportunity to begin applying a more conservative approach.

iii. What I'm most likely to do is slowly transition in the way I've transitioned between most limits to this point:

- I've begun to add $2/$4 FR tables (which I'm technicallly waaay overrolled for now anyway). I'll play these now as a default only playing the $1/$2 FR tables for table selection reasons.

- I'll look for the looser $2/$4 tables. If I'm playing at $2/$4 I'll drop immediately back to one table initially, I'll add the FR table too to start with. After getting comfortable with the basics of calculating pot odds correctly with the higher numbers, I'll move across to $2/$4 SH organically. If I'm running well I'll likely default to the $2/$4 tables, if I'm struggling I'll play the $1/$2 tables and only add loose/decent $2/$4 games.

- I'm prepared to take a hit to around $1500 before eliminating $2/$4 out of my range completely, so I figure I've got a fairly comfortable range to live in.

- I'll try rationalise away the butterflies and dreaming that inevitably comes with moving up. This is part of that process!

Okay, long rambling post over. Hopefully its served its purpose!

BTW I'm shelving the private coaching I was intending to take at this point due to the other study related project I've previously alluded to in my blog. Once this project is over I'm going to start a regular coaching program - mentoring FTW!!! _cool:

:f_confused: out.


Good to hear you're grinding through the limits man. Imo get the Poker Mindset. You spend so much time thinking about that aspect of the game anyways that you might as well just pay the 30$. The cost is very low compared to the admission price of the emotional rollercoaster poker puts you through.

In other news, my computer has been repaired and returned to me. Hurray!

Gl in 2/4.


Originally posted by Waiboy
Okay, this is a bit of a vent post to put a couple of things down in print.

As I posted earlier today I'm running well. This means that despite a withdrawl this month (and thanks to an instant bonus at 888.com) I'm as near rolled for $2/$4 SH as makes no difference. So I'm an excited camper at the moment and that bugs me a bit. There is no reason to get excited. I'm neither rolled nor equipped to play at a decent limit (for me $5/$T+), I'm still at the very beginnings of a long learning curve and playing $2/$4 is just a marker on that curve.

This is the mindset I believe is essential to succeed at this game. Emotion only buggers things up for you, makes you play less optimally and make tainted decisions. Some of those decisions may work out, but so does betting on 0 at the roulette wheel every now and then (and on those occassions it often pays for several beers, a curry and some tequila shooters!). Emotion is, in many important respects, -EV.

Yes we are emotional beings and emotion does have a part to play in motivating us to achieve. But when you are making decisions at the table, making decisions on study:play ratios, making decisions on BRM - your emotions make optimal decision making difficult.

This = solid gold!!!!

Soo easy to repeat that its all about the long term its all about the long term its all about the long term...

And you can tune out alot of the bad this way but when the good rolls along its easy to change your mantra
and get excited and forget the recent burst of success is just as short term as the other crap.

Good post!!!


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Hey guys! Well, I'm still at $2/$4ish (transitional state as it is) which is equal parts cool and irrelevant! It took me about 10 attempts to establish at $1/$2 so I'm using this as excitement extinguisher foam!

@BDL: I hadn't realised/remembered? that your PC was dead. Was wondering where the soon to be NL25 prodigy had gone. Catch you soon on skype my man! :f_p:

The Poker Mindset is definitely on the list, but I have an MTT book or two I want first. I think a re-watch of the 8th fold path is probably due. It has a ton of the most important stuff in it, but I definitely will get the Mindset at some point in the not too distant future. 8,100 FTP points FTW!

@897: Thanks man. I posted this as part of a process to combat the excitment. I understand clearly the required mindset, why it's important and what influences my ability to have that mindset. Knowing isn't always enough sometimes... although it is definitely a head start. I should probably just apply some NLP technique - in fact I will. Time to dig out the Robbins again. :heart: Tony Robbins!


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Well I've got a lot more time to work on my mindset cause I got slaughtered today! :f_cry:

I struggled to get good seats at any table today on either 888.com or FTP, $1/$2 or $2/$4 - and the later limit greated me with one of those ugly sessions - 36/33 WTS/W$SD where noone folded, every villian three barrelled, I folded like a monkey boy but when I bluffed/semibluffed I got 3bet and I missed the big draws in every monster multiway pot.

Still, it happens - and to be fair I've had a pretty awesome run the last week so no problem. Back to the grind. :f_love:

:f_confused: out.


TerrorBlade
Joined: 16.10.2007

Btw if you use more conservative BRM it isn't so much because there's a lower chance of you going busto, it's because you might tilt pretty bad by losing 20% of your BR in a session.

That's the main reason I've been using at least 1000 BB (now 1500+ after going pro), because if I had 5k at 5/T and I lost 1.5k in a session I am 100% sure I'd be making bad plays due to being straight up pissed off.

So therefore being more conservative isn't "wrong" in the sense that it reduces your emotional swings and thus allows you to make more EV+ decisions. All you have to do is find the sweet spot where you don't care too much and can also move up reasonably often.


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Originally posted by TerrorBlade
Btw if you use more conservative BRM it isn't so much because there's a lower chance of you going busto, it's because you might tilt pretty bad by losing 20% of your BR in a session.

Understood. Of course, because there is a proportionally smaller gap between $2/$4 and $3/$6, if you don't want to bounce around limits between $1/$2 and $3/$6 (which impacts continuity of things like rakeback) then giving a greater buffer at $2/$4 smooths out this bouncing around.

BTW I've dropped 15% of my roll in the last 12 hours. YAY. Did I miss the memo about all villians hitting sets and draws?


taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Originally posted by Waiboy
but I definitely will get the Mindset at some point in the not too distant future. 8,100 FTP points FTW!

Me toooo!! Right now 6,625/8,100 FTP.

I wish you good luck beating 2/4, we already have enough "red-marked" players at 1/2 and 0.5/1, so gtfup from here :f_p:


CoreySteel
Joined: 25.10.2006

200k hands for FTP 0.5/1 FL SH if anyone is interested :)
LINK

I bought them just for fun and for testing purpose :) ~9$.


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Thanks CS! Hopefully someone gets good use out of these. Personally I think if I drop back to $.50/$1 again I may just hang up the FL boots permenantly.


taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Originally posted by CoreySteel
200k hands for FTP 0.5/1 FL SH if anyone is interested :)
LINK

I bought them just for fun and for testing purpose :) ~9$.

Thank you very much =)


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

After about six or seven straight losing sessions (some tilt starting to affect me by the fifth or sixth one I think, just folding waaaay too much and not raising enough) I've finally arrested the slide. It helped refocusing a little and trying to play more aggressively for a bit. Hitting some hands and having them hold up also helped!

BTW for the first time ever I won some money in a rake race ($50), and I'm up for another $50 - $100 this week again! Thanks PS.com :)

On current progress I don't think I'll be able to clear the 888.com bonus - unless I can claw back to $2/$4 and not run at -20BB/100 for the next 300 hands. On the plus side though I will be platinum by the end of the first week of April and able to watch the whole of the opabumbi "Climbing the Stakes" series as well as catching up on the "Cornholio on Bluffs" series. That in itself makes the ongoing grind worth while.

If, by some miracle, I can get right into $2/$4 it may be that I'd keep going at 888.com for a bit just to maintain status and inch a little closer to Black Member Status (just to keep TerrorBlade happy - Kiwi Black Members FTW!!!).

In other news, my FTP poker chip set arrived and it is uber cool (if 200 chips short of ideal). If I did it again I'd probably forgoe the denominated chips. For anyone interested the chips are a really good weight, the case looks cool and the cards seem to be of okay quality. I don't think they're 100% plastic but the feel better than the average plastic coated cards. I :heart: FTP! Oh, it probably cost me approx $15 in lost rakeback, which makes it awesome value (it cost FTP $85 to ship it from the States!).

The cards may get a thrashing this weekend in the 'tron as me and my mate gdj_online go to watch NZ attempt to not get a thrashing by the Ockers at test cricket. Anyone heading there, I'll be the drunk guy abusing Shane Watson and giving unwarranted upbeat support to our pie chucking bowling attack.


CoreySteel
Joined: 25.10.2006

New chips? Nice.
About 2 years ago I also bought 300 chips set.
But these days I'm not using them much. None of my close friends/relatives are interested in poker :P


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Originally posted by CoreySteel
But these days I'm not using them much. None of my close friends/relatives are interested in poker :P

I only have one mate interested in poker, but I have a dozen or so who are really into alcohol and excuses to get together to drink. :f_p:


Originally posted by Waiboy

Originally posted by CoreySteel
But these days I'm not using them much. None of my close friends/relatives are interested in poker :P

I only have one mate interested in poker, but I have a dozen or so who are really into alcohol and excuses to get together to drink. :f_p:

Which is, of course, why you should arrange more drinking sessions and arrange for cards/money to come out. Particularly with those shiny plastic cards...


CoreySteel
Joined: 25.10.2006

Yeah, after few drinks you say...

-Oh, look what I have found in my pocket (200 chip set).
-Too bad I don't have cards with me.
-Here they are! (other pocket obv)
-Anyone HU4rollz?


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

Originally posted by CoreySteel
Yeah, after few drinks you say...

-Oh, look what I have found in my pocket (200 chip set).
-Too bad I don't have cards with me.
-Here they are! (other pocket obv)
-Anyone HU4rollz?

LOL - I'll suggest in the invite, real casual like, that folks should bring the deeds to their houses and plenty of booze._evil: (except red with gold lightening bolts down the side).


You said GOLD!!!!!! with red lightning bolts down the side.


Hey there, Waiboy.

Just stopping by to say hi, when I saw your blog still rocking this blog section. _cool:

So... anything new, crushed FL SH 5/T yet? :f_cool:


Waiboy Topic starter
Waiboy
Joined: 18.09.2008

OMG Best day ever of test cricket. NZ pwn Austrailia on the first day.. I was there and claim personal responsibility for at least 4 wickets based on unconditional and unrelenting support.

GO KIWI!!! GO NZ!!!!!

Oh, btw, back at $2/$4 again in 48 hours (drinking until then) after two days of awesome run good, rakeback and PS.com rake race.

BTW Good to see you're not an icecube Berk!!! Missed you fella!

Live HU NL/PLO/FL awaits.. gdj_online you are going downage!!!!


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