Skip to forum
The Philosopher's S...
 
Notifications
Clear all

The Philosopher's Stone - April 2013 wrap-up

242 Posts
28 Users
0 Reactions
29.7 K Views
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

At certain level you MUST be able to put in huge amount of volume in playing these little tourneys. I believe that for many good players with great potential the main obstacle is that they're unable to put in volume, to grind 10, 12, 15 hours straight.

I feel that i certainly have to develope better grinding durability. There's ONLY ONE day in my poker career where i've played more than 100 STT for example.

For example, when i run good 30-40 games, i start to find excuses not to play anymore because i'm afraid to lose the profit and i want to end the day with a profit. It's really wrong attitude. Its a problem. I've played 30 games this evening, its almost 2 o'clock in estonia and i'm up around 15 BI - and i think that, nah, its late, today was schoolday aswell, i'm tired, maybe i should just go to bed.

But NO, i wont go to bed, i can sleep later, i'll PLAY ANOTHER 30 GAMES THIS NIGHT!

Right now i'm listening to motivational speaker Eric Thomas, and i have to say, it motivates me - f*** sleeping and tiredness and excuses, i'm going to grind!!!!

This video has been around in these forums, i think i discovered it from TwiceT blog, wont hurt to post it again:


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Just finished 62nd game today and its almost 5 o'clock in the morning and i feel proud that i managed to play that long.

Now to bed, tomorrow before noon some manor admin business, then some session review and then grinding again.

Good night!


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

I'm starting to feel a bit annoyed about how i run recently: 60 BI below ev and counting, evROI around 11%, actual roi 3,1% over 730 games.

I feel the ghost of tilt behind me, have to make a break, probably take a little walk in manor's park.

But damn it can be frustrating sometimes, make all the correct pushes just to hit the best hands in their range :f_mad: :f_mad: :f_mad: :f_mad: :f_mad: :f_mad:


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Heyho everyone!

With endless bubble suckouts and setups, but still managing to sustain 11% evROI over 800 games while actual winnings are 65 BI below ev, its all about VOLUME, VOLUME and VOLUME!!!

So today (well, not literally today, cos i'm going to grind past midnight obv) i'm going to break my personal games per day record. Its 101 so far.

Ok, lets start.


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Well, i'm not proud about this, but i'm going to stop my record attempt at 66 games. Because i'm afraid i might CIRCLE DOWN INTO F*** TILT-LAND!!!!

Here's the reason why. I better post the whole graph for 880 games at Pokerstars.

Over 70 BI below ev...

I mean, what the f is this? Is this some kind of a joke? I'm so tired of this shit - suckouts, set ups, running into overpairs, losing 70% and 80% favourites in bubble like 7 times in a row, i'm not even mentioning coinflips, forget about those, those are impossible to win :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:

There's one good thing though. Since i win chips only without showdown i've improved my 3betshoves vs BU, SB and CO. I really have to shove even much wider in these spots, everyone is stealing just sooo lightly. And my HU play has improved also i think, but of course, once its showdown time, then, f***


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Yeah, i know, variance etc etc. Although its not very professional attitude to whine about swings and so on, but i just needed to load off this thing and posting this thing here made me feel better actually.

Good that i have a blog :)

On the one hand, its not very professional to quit just because of running bad, but on the other, its professional to know when there's a danger that you might not play your A game.

And since i havent achieved TwiceT's enlightment and resistance to swings and tilt yet, i just go to sleep.


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Played 104 games today. That's new personal record. Although i managed to stay in green, i'm not happy with my play, i feel like a fish. My calling ranges are way off, stack off too easily in early stages and make big mistakes in HU.

Have to learn more, improve more.

But now to bed.


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Good morning everyone @ 2 o'clock pm in Estonia!

I'll change the way my grinding sessions are set up:

1. I'll play in timeframes from now on, wont concentrate on the number of games.

2. During the timeframe, i'll do sets. Start with 10-11 tables and wont add new ones (except when i bust out in the first blind level) until i have only around 2 tables left. Then i'll start regging new tables for a new set. In this way i can concentrate better on bubble situations and HU play, since there are fewer tables left.

3. I'm too result oriented. Thus, i wont look at the results or the green line or the red line or whatever line during the session. I might check the balance at the end of the grinding day, but not sooner. ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS TO DO A +EV DECISION IN A GIVEN SITUATION, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS, DOESNT MATTER HOW I HAVE BEEN RUNNING OR HOW I WILL RUN OR HOW MANY SUCKOUTS I HAVE HAD OR NOT HAD OR WHATS THE PARTICULAR RESULT OF THE HAND.

So, today i'm planning to do a two 4-hours session. During the session, i wont leave behind the computer more than 30 secs, i have some snacks, sandwiches and drinks (non-alcoholic :f_thumbsup: ) ready :f_cool:

Hmmm, writing that "non-alcoholic" made me think that maybe i'll take max 2 bears after two 4 hours session...


Reply
Quote

No updates? Also when you would be in skype?


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Hi,

have been trying HM2 and i've had some problems with it. Most of them are solved by now, but today i had i new one: pokerstars hotkeys for keyboard wont work anymore, mouse right-click hotkey for folding and table activation under mouse are fine, but i cant grind without my keyboard hotkeys :( I suspect that HM2 has something to do with it...

Any suggestions anyone?

Anyway, running ok recently, planning to move up soon: from 3,5$ to 7$


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Originally posted by RobertDaPro
No updates? Also when you would be in skype?

Yeah, i havent been in skype recently, was away for some nice parties in university town Tartu (only town in estonia i'd live in :]) and a good friend from London visited me in manor couple of days, so havent been skyping, rather zipping some good whiskey by the fireside :f_cool:

But i'm in skype from now on quite often, contact me if anyone would like to discuss some poker.


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Hi everyone!

Played 56 games today and - most importantly - 16 of them i played in A NEXT LIMIT - THAT IS 7$!!!!!!!

Overall feeling is that atmosphere in 7$ games is quite similar to that of 3,5$. Plenty of recreational players with their minraises and high blind limping, but also a ton of mass multitabling regs.

But of course, there are also some differences. Firstly, rake is smaller. Rake in a 3,5$ regular game is 11,1% and for 3,5$ turbos its 9,7% from the whole BI. In a 7$ limit its 9% for regular games and 7,9% for turbos (from the whole BI) which is pretty good.

And secondly, i think its a tighter limit than 3,5$. My playing style stems mostly from Full Tilt 10+1$ games, which was a tight limit, meaning that i could push pretty wide in certain situations, especially from SB or BU with 10bb or less or from any position with 5bb, plenty of ATC spots, av villain wasnt never calling wide enough (now i'm thinking that my biggest leak back then was probably itm pushes where i wasnt nearly loose enough). I took that style to pokerstars 3,5$ and i recently discovered that i have to readjust, to tighten up, because villains were calling my bu and sb pushes much wider. I'm not on ATC in sb vs bb so easily anymore. One reason is of course that players are getting better and they know that you have to call pretty loose in sb vs bb in reg vs reg, mostly around 30% (nash) or more if reg is on ATC. Anyway, i readjusted, but now in a 7$ limit i have a feeling that i have to rereadjust, thinking that this limit is comparable to FTP-s 10+1$ limit.

But yeah, games are getting tougher, as i said, in pokerstars 3,5$ i had a feeling that its as tough as FTP-s 10+1$ or even 20+2$ games. This feeling was extra sharp due to my detour to pokerheaven which was the softest field i have ever played. Problem, of course, was that there wasnt enough games running in higher limits.

My overall feeling is good, i hope i manage to play some 7$ games without moving down, rake is smaller, i get more VPP-s for the same amount of games, so yeah, lets ship it!!!! :f_love:


Reply
Quote

Good luck on the new limit. Waiting to hear news about the progress!


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Hi!

Running ok in 7$ limit, about 10% ROI over 250 games. Getting to know regs, so i could table select better.

As always, my weakest link is VOLUME ! around 50-60 games in a day is not enough!

Have to be tougher to myself, but its really hard to be your own boss who do you hate because he is such a pain in the ass and forces you to wake up early and work hard.

I'm too lazy. That's my problem.

PS. Lost top full house vs quads twice today, both in early levels.

And i should make a day plan, or set some goals, to cure my laziness...


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Played 51 games today, everything went ok until the last set:

Std :f_cool:

Anyway, my main goal for the March is to get Goldstar status at Pokerstars. That means i have to collect 3000 VPP, which corresponds to 866 7$ regular speed games.

i also play turbos and their rake is a bit smaller, which means that to achieve Goldstar i have to play at least 900 games this month. If i play 25 days, it makes 36 games per day. Its easy, since usually, if i decide to play in a particular day, i play at least 50 games.

All right, tomorrow's plan:

HH analyses before lunch + hopefully some skype discussion with a fellow ps.com member regarding analysed games.

After noon: GRIND, at least 90 games, i e 3 sessions each containing 3 sequental sets (10 games per set)

Okidoki then, one episode of Dexter (season 2 episode 1) and then to sleep. G'night fellow poker players! :f_love:


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Allright, played 90 games and had a pretty pretty pretty good Saturday grinding night:

Over 20 BI over ev, muahahahahah, running good for a change :f_p:

Plan for tomorrow:

Review todays hands
and play at least 50 games


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Wanted to share an interesting hand from yesterdays session:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1572)
UTG (t4436)
Button (t5508)
Hero (SB) (t1984)

Hero's M: 13.23

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 9
2 folds, Hero bets t225, BB calls t125

Flop: (t450) 3, 2, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t225, BB calls t225

Turn: (t900) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (t900) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t313, Hero calls t313

Total pot: t1526

BB was a tight passive mt with 0,0 3bet%, so i kept stealing his blinds. Why do i make this call on the river? I dont think he has a king, because although he was passive, i felt he is good enough to shove high kings pre or bet them on turn when checked to. So what could he valuebet on the river? He doesnt valuebet T, he would check behing with this, any low set he would have raised the flop or bet the turn, KK or TT he would have shoved pre. Does he really valuebet low king on the river? I doubt. Ofc he could have slowplayed A5, but i felt he was so frustated about me stealing his blinds all the time that he tried to pull out a weak defense with all kind of random cards, incl 5x. So all he has left is a busted straight draw with a louzy bluff bet on the river. So i call :f_cool:

He had

Spoiler

5 :diamond:7 :spade:


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Have run pretty good last 4-5 days:

Embarrasing red line :f_p:, still 5% evROI :f_love:

Here's an interesting hand from yesterday's session. Its one of those hands which is either played like a real pro or it was just a fishy spew that happen to work:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t1510)
MP1 (t1115)
MP2 (t1706)
CO (t1395)
Hero (Button) (t833)
SB (t3203)
BB (t2348)
UTG (t1390)

Hero's M: 18.51

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 10
5 folds, Hero bets t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60

Flop: (t195) 4, 5, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t105, BB calls t105

Turn: (t405) A (2 players)
BB bets t90, Hero raises to t240, 1 fold

Total pot: t585

So why i raise the turn? Op was a recreational player who played 1 or 2 tables. He was fishy, but not spewy, he didnt splash around. Those small donks oop are usually blockbets that indicate a draw or a weak made hand, like 2nd or 3rd pair, with what an op doesnt want to play a big pot. And sometimes also a weak bluff. So i was pretty sure that villain does not have an A here with what he would rather call, so question remains, is he capable of folding a J or some kind of a weak draw? I thought he would, he seemed fishy, but cautious and i could very well rep an A. So i made a raise, which seems esp strong considering my stacksize, and he folded.

Its far from standard for me to bluff here vs recreational players, cos they generally cant fold a J here or a draw, but vs this particular op i thought it might work.

A bit later he said to me in the chat: You had twopair, right?

So, was it a standard play, a good play or just fishy luck?


Reply
Quote
Gerovit
Joined: 16.01.2011
Elite Grinder

So, was it a standard play, a good play or just fishy luck?

A little bit of everything

i like your raise, small is weak move him off 3rd pair random gutshot etc...


Reply
Quote
Luupainaja Topic starter
Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010
PokerStrategist

Hi!

I read some really interesting strategy posts from 2+2 today. One thing i should certainly think about is when to deviate from "correct" icm play, i. e make an -ev play or skip an +ev move. The main argument is that sometimes its better to make such plays because those deviations from icm open up opportunities in future situations which compensate the lost or missed equity.

One of those theories is presented by 2+2 superstar Gigabet in his Gigabet Dilemma or Gigablock Theory (a post from Gigabet himself: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2610396&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1 , this post is pretty hard to grasp, but he def has something). The theory basically claims that sometimes its good to make -ev play to get a chance to have a greater edge on future hands. For example, when you're one of the bigstack with other 2-3 players (belonging to the same stacksize "block" with those players), then you cannot benefit from the situation as much as you could when you'd have enough more chips than they to haul yourself up to higher stacksize block. So it might be profitable to take an -ev shot against shortstacks in case when losing that confrontation doesnt increase the stacks difference between you and other bigstacks significantly, but winning that confrontation opens you to an opportunity to get a runaway chiplead.

I think it's a valid point, but is there some more solid justifications for deviating from "correct" icm play and for giving up an edge sometimes? Some claim that you should never give up an edge, that you should take every +ev move you can. In what follows, I'll try to show mathematically, that sometimes you should skip +ev play.

Here's a situation from 9-man 10$+1$ hyper turbo stt with 10bb starting stacks. Its a first hand, everyone folds to BU who pushes exactly 30%.

It seems that hero should call here with A7s. Hero's edge is 0.18%, which means that calling should increase expected winnings by 0.162$ (90$*0.0018) on average. So should hero make this call?

Let's see, what's the A7s equity vs wiz 30% range (22+, Ax+, K4s+, K8+, Q9s+, K8+, QJ, JTs):
%win = 49.73%, %lose = 50.27% (ignoring ties)

50.27% of times hero busts for 0.162$ and 49.73% of times hero doubles with expected winnings of X$ + 0.162$ where X$ is expected winnings after doubling up. Lets take hero's ROI 10% and lets assume for now that doubling up doesnt increase hero's ROI. So X$ = 11$*0.1 = 1.1$

So the expected winnings if hero makes the call:
0.5027*0.162$ + 0.4973*(1.1$+0.162$) = 0.70903$

BUT if hero does NOT make the call, his expected winnings with 10% ROI are 1.1$ (!)

In order to this call to be profitable we must assume that hero's ROI is not the same after calling, but has increased due to bigger stacksize which gives him advantage in future situations. Exactly how much hero's ROI has to increase to make this call?

We simply have to solve the following equation:
0.5027*0.162$ + 0.4973*(X$+0.162) = 1.1$
X$ = 1.886

So hero's ROI has to increase around 1.7 (1.886/1.1) times. If hero is a good player and he feels that his edge increases at least that much over the field, then he should make this call. Otherwise it should be a fold.

Its plausible that hero's ROI increases after doubling up, but that kind of a supports the argument in the beginning of this post: we cannot only take into account hero's direct expected value in a given situation provided by SNGWizard, but we have to consider future opportunities aswell (for example, believing that bigger stack will increase our edge in future hands (i e our ROI)). Those considerations should make us sometimes skip +ev play or take a -ev shot. Now, the real question is, how to recognize those spots in a game?

Some good reading on the subject:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/3-5k-post-edge-really-edge-743669/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36/stt-strategy/minimum-edge-theory-100959/

Any comments are much appreciated.


Reply
Quote
Share: