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The Shortdeck Diary: Chapter 2 - Becoming a semi pro

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Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by Fredjen

Originally posted by XieXieNii
Hey, how many Tables are you playing at the same time?

I start my session with 2 tables 50a. In theory afther 20min I add a 3rd but sometimes I add earlier or sometimes I have a session only 2 tables.

OH MY! I had thought that you were still playing $0.05a
Best of luck!

I play at 10NL and start with 50bb stack on 2 tables. Not playing NL50 :)


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Originally posted by Fredjen
I play at 10NL and start with 50bb stack on 2 tables. Not playing NL50 :)

OK now I understand. Is there any particular reason that you start short-stacked?
When you reach 100a do you leave that table and join another?


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Well I think if you have studied this game your edge is super high starting short stacked because they overfold to openshoves or shoves over pot size post flop. If it was allowed to leave and restart with 50a I would do it but Stars requires you to play a certain amount of hands or you have to buy in with the amount you left with.


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Originally posted by Fredjen
Well I think if you have studied this game your edge is super high starting short stacked because they overfold to openshoves or shoves over pot size post flop. If it was allowed to leave and restart with 50a I would do it but Stars requires you to play a certain amount of hands or you have to buy in with the amount you left with.

If I need to rathole a big stack, I will open a new table, then close the old one.


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Yeah that works for a while but when you have played all the tables you can't come back for 50a and there are not so many tables running...


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Originally posted by Fredjen
Yeah that works for a while but when you have played all the tables you can't come back for 50a and there are not so many tables running...

This is on GGPoker then?

Yesterday, I sat at a table to the left of a player on PokerStars that had about a 500a stack, and was open shoving every hand. He kept winning.
When he was at about 700 I challenged him with (a decent hand I don't remember) and won. Then won another. It was fun, but in truth is wasn't poker, it was flipping coins for 25 bucks a throw — or 50 in the second instance.

Do you see this behaviour much?


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No I play on Stars. Don't know what the exact details are but it happens when I have more than 1 session a day. In first session I leave tables with lets say 200, 150 and 80a When I do a second session later that day it does not give me the option to choose a buy in ammount it gives me 200, 150 or 80.

Yesterday, I sat at a table to the left of a player on PokerStars that had about a 500a stack, and was open shoving every hand. He kept winning.
When he was at about 700 I challenged him with (a decent hand I don't remember) and won. Then won another. It was fun, but in truth is wasn't poker, it was flipping coins for 25 bucks a throw — or 50 in the second instance.

Yeah I see it almost every session in weekends. Well it's part of the game so it is poker you just need to adjust :) obv variance can be a b*tch on these occasions but I think if you had that player on a NL table you would have 20 player son the waiting list :)


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The graph at the end of that post looks really good.
What are your showdown/non-showdown winnings like?
I do really (ok fairly) well in pots that go to showdown, but I think I fold too much post-flop


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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
What are your showdown/non-showdown winnings like?

The non showdown is really always going down a lot. When I started I remember it was like -100a/100h. As I got better and learned more it went up to about -67a/100h. My showdown stayed a bit in the same range during this last 6 months going from 74a/100h to 80a/100h depending on the sample size I use. For these numbers I used the numbers from H2N given for the last month (17.495 hands) last 3 months (43.245 hands) and last 6 months (81.083 hands).

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I do really (ok fairly) well in pots that go to showdown, but I think I fold too much post-flop

I thought so too in the beginning but you're probably not raising enough pre flop in late position against the right opponents. Taking it down pre flop is huge in short deck.


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In this graph you are way below EV — do you ever cashout? If so, what are your criteria?


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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
In this graph you are way below EV — do you ever cashout? If so, what are your criteria?

The criteria is yolo. Run it once never cash out, only on rare occassions when pot is more than 500a deep and i'm like 75% favorite and stuck for the session. I see it more as a training in mental state for when I play higher :) also 100BI helps.


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Originally posted by Fredjen

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
In this graph you are way below EV — do you ever cashout? If so, what are your criteria?

The criteria is yolo. Run it once never cash out, only on rare occassions when pot is more than 500a deep and i'm like 75% favorite and stuck for the session. I see it more as a training in mental state for when I play higher :) also 100BI helps.

Yes, I try to do that, however if I'm between 40 and 60 pct favourite, in in a 3- or more-way pot I'll take the sure thing.


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Just played nothing else.


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