Je pense que AK et TT il cbet, au moins AK dans le pire des cas.
Et ouai j'ai bet son tapis river il call AA^^ Mais on est d'accord pour bet bet bet
Je pense que AK et TT il cbet, au moins AK dans le pire des cas.
Et ouai j'ai bet son tapis river il call AA^^ Mais on est d'accord pour bet bet bet
Sinon moi ça va
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
BB: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $279.01 (139.5 bb)
CO: $486.73 (243.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $255 (127.5 bb)
SB: $91.41 (45.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2♣ 2♠
MP raises to $6, CO calls $6, Hero calls $6, SB calls $5, BB folds
Flop: ($26) K♣ 4♣ 2♦ (4 players)
SB checks, MP bets $24.31, CO folds, Hero raises to $55, SB folds, MP raises to $189.31, Hero raises to $249 and is all-in, MP calls $59.69
Turn: ($524) 4♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($524) 4♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $524 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: K♣ 4♣ 2♦ 4♥ 4♦
MP showed K♠ Q♥ and won $521 ($266 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$6 net)
Hero showed 2♣ 2♠ and lost (-$255 net)
SB mucked and lost (-$6 net)
Je me dis ce mois ci je vais faire du volume bah putin ça commence bien
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $231.73 (115.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $224.64 (112.3 bb)
UTG: $302.01 (151 bb)
MP: $396.60 (198.3 bb)
CO: $69 (34.5 bb)
BTN: $151.42 (75.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A♠ A♥
4 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $12
Flop: ($36) 9♦ Q♥ 9♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $19, SB calls $19
Turn: ($74) K♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $47, SB raises to $194.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $140.64 and is all-in
River: ($449.28) 4♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $449.28 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 9♦ Q♥ 9♣ K♣ 4♣
SB showed 8♣ A♣ and won $446.28 ($221.64 net)
Hero showed A♠ A♥ and lost (-$224.64 net)
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $203.76 (101.9 bb)
BB: $473.29 (236.6 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $203 (101.5 bb)
CO: $122.24 (61.1 bb)
BTN: $569.78 (284.9 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q♠ A♣
UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, BTN calls $6, SB calls $5, BB calls $4
Flop: ($24) Q♦ A♠ 8♦ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $15, BTN folds, SB calls $15, BB folds
Turn: ($54) 7♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $39, SB raises to $88, Hero raises to $182 and is all-in, SB calls $94
River: ($418) K♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $418 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: Q♦ A♠ 8♦ 7♠ K♥
SB showed T♠ J♠ and won $415 ($212 net)
Hero showed Q♠ A♣ and lost (-$203 net)
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Hero (SB): $214.76 (107.4 bb)
BB: $432.14 (216.1 bb)
MP: $83.59 (41.8 bb)
CO: $321.24 (160.6 bb)
BTN: $275.32 (137.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J♠ J♣
MP raises to $83.59 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero calls $82.59, BB folds
Flop: ($169.18) 3♠ 6♣ Q♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($169.18) A♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($169.18) T♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $169.18 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 3♠ 6♣ Q♦ A♣ T♣
Hero showed J♠ J♣ and lost (-$83.59 net)
MP showed A♦ 5♠ and won $166.18 ($82.59 net)
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $818.89 (409.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $225.57 (112.8 bb)
UTG: $261.63 (130.8 bb)
MP: $206.16 (103.1 bb)
CO: $613.09 (306.5 bb)
BTN: $275.02 (137.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A♣ K♠
4 folds, SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $36, SB calls $24
Flop: ($72) 6♦ T♠ K♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $48.30, SB raises to $782.89 and is all-in, Hero calls $141.27 and is all-in
Turn: ($451.14) 6♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($451.14) Q♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $451.14 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 6♦ T♠ K♦ 6♣ Q♦
SB showed 6♥ A♦ and won $448.14 ($222.57 net)
Hero showed A♣ K♠ and lost (-$225.57 net)
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)
BB: $337.67 (168.8 bb)
CO: $252.82 (126.4 bb)
BTN: $298.86 (149.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♣ Q♠
CO raises to $6, BTN folds, Hero raises to $20, BB folds, CO calls $14
Flop: ($42) T♠ 5♣ J♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $26, CO calls $26
Turn: ($94) 4♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $51, Hero raises to $154 and is all-in, CO calls $103
River: ($402) J♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $402 pot ($2.50 rake)
Final Board: T♠ 5♣ J♣ 4♣ J♠
Hero showed Q♣ Q♠ and lost (-$200 net)
CO showed J♦ A♣ and won $399.50 ($199.50 net)
PUTIN DE TILTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OMG CE RUNNNNNNNNNNNN PUTINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ALLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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PUTIN DE TILTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OMG CE RUNNNNNNNNNNNN PUTINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ALLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Tiens, on dirait moi..
Edit: pour le volume, je suis en plein dedans, si t'as un remède pour arrêter de disjoncter tous les jours, à chaque nouvelle session, fais-moi signe stp..
J'ai mail le support en tilt suite à mon run LOL et c'est bon ma demande a bien été acceptée :
Only 100 :
On va essayé de rattraper tout cet EV pour la fin de mois :
Quelques mains vite vite :
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $121.37 (121.4 bb)
BB: $113.66 (113.7 bb)
Hero (UTG): $322.29 (322.3 bb)
MP: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $117.82 (117.8 bb)
BTN: $103.55 (103.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6♥ 6♣
Hero raises to $3, MP folds, CO raises to $9, 2 folds, BB calls $8, Hero calls $6
Flop: ($27.50) 6♠ 7♣ T♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $15.42, BB raises to $30.84, Hero raises to $133.65, CO folds, BB calls $73.82 and is all-in
Turn: ($252.24) 7♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($252.24) 3♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $252.24 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 6♠ 7♣ T♥ 7♠ 3♣
BB showed Q♥ Q♠ and lost (-$113.66 net)
Hero showed 6♥ 6♣ and won $249.24 ($135.58 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$24.42 net)
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Hero (SB): $156.75 (156.8 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $120.82 (120.8 bb)
MP: $73.50 (73.5 bb)
CO: $126.87 (126.9 bb)
BTN: $129.15 (129.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 7♣ 7♥
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2
Flop: ($6) 4♦ 2♠ K♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50
Turn: ($13) 7♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $8.50, BB calls $8.50
River: ($30) K♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $21, Hero raises to $141.75 and is all-in, BB calls $64 and is all-in
Results: $200 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 4♦ 2♠ K♦ 7♦ K♠
Hero showed 7♣ 7♥ and won $197 ($97 net)
BB showed Q♦ 8♦ and lost (-$100 net)
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $117.94 (117.9 bb)
BB: $100.33 (100.3 bb)
MP: $113.19 (113.2 bb)
CO: $281.05 (281.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $141.44 (141.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with T♥ 9♥
MP raises to $3, CO folds, Hero calls $3, 2 folds
Flop: ($7.50) 9♠ 5♥ 9♣ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $4, MP calls $4
Turn: ($15.50) T♣ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10, MP calls $10
River: ($35.50) 6♥ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $29.87, MP raises to $70, Hero raises to $124.44 and is all-in, MP calls $26.19 and is all-in
Results: $227.88 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 9♠ 5♥ 9♣ T♣ 6♥
MP showed 9♦ 8♦ and lost (-$113.19 net)
Hero showed T♥ 9♥ and won $224.88 ($111.69 net)
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $74.01 (74 bb)
BB: $103.43 (103.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $188.30 (188.3 bb)
CO: $51.46 (51.5 bb)
BTN: $85.78 (85.8 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K♥ K♣
Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, SB raises to $7, BB calls $6, Hero raises to $26, SB calls $19, BB folds
Flop: ($59) 4♥ K♦ 7♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($59) 9♦ (2 players)
SB bets $48.01, Hero calls $48.01
River: ($155.02) T♥ (2 players)
Results: $155.02 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: 4♥ K♦ 7♥ 9♦ T♥
SB showed 5♠ 7♠ and lost (-$74.01 net)
Hero showed K♥ K♣ and won $152.02 ($78.01 net)
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $171.09 (171.1 bb)
BB: $159.40 (159.4 bb)
MP: $111.87 (111.9 bb)
CO: $94.29 (94.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $120.33 (120.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3♠ 3♣
MP folds, CO raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($8.50) 3♥ K♦ T♣ (2 players)
CO bets $8, Hero raises to $18, CO calls $10
Turn: ($44.50) 2♥ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $26, CO raises to $72.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $46.79
River: ($190.08) 3♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $190.08 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: 3♥ K♦ T♣ 2♥ 3♦
CO showed K♣ A♦ and lost (-$94.29 net)
Hero showed 3♠ 3♣ and won $187.08 ($92.79 net)
C'est pas possible de bad run comme ça la nl200 courage mec lance une table au pire pour te testé. Et le reste en nl100.
Message original de lenull22
C'est pas possible de bad run comme ça la nl200 courage mec lance une table au pire pour te testé. Et le reste en nl100.
La 200 elle est sévère avec moi, mais l'evbb/100 me dit que c'est pas de ma faute lol
Merci, ouai je reprends un peu de force en 100 après on va tout casser
Message original de AdjikaTou
Quelques nuts vite vite.
Ca fait du bien. Mais comme on dit, suffit pas d'avoir nuts, il faut le client qui va avec ^^
EDIT : et aussi un peu de skill pour value tout ça. On va pas tout te retirer quand même
pas pour faire mon rabbat joie...
mais si 10 15 caves under ev en 10kh tu trouves ca un run immonde... bah je te souhaite vraiment pas d'avoir un vrai long down ♠_cry:
Je comprend pas trop le thinking process du vilain
Il tourne en bluff avec son blocker
21/16/4,5 [7,5kh] (stats de SH)
44/28/11.1 [18h] (stats de HU)
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
BB: $126.23 (126.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $137.27 (137.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with T♦ 7♥
Hero raises to $2.20, BB calls $1.20
Flop: ($4.40) T♣ 7♦ Q♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.69, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $6.31
Turn: ($24.40) 6♥ (2 players)
BB bets $17, Hero calls $17
River: ($58.40) 7♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $47.50, BB raises to $97.03 and is all-in, Hero calls $49.53
Results: $252.46 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: T♣ 7♦ Q♣ 6♥ 7♣
BB showed Q♦ A♣ and lost (-$126.23 net)
Hero showed T♦ 7♥ and won $250.96 ($124.73 net)
Allez quelques mains :
#1 :
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Hero (SB): $124.28 (124.3 bb)
BB: $80 (80 bb)
MP: $162.98 (163 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $113.77 (113.8 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J♥ J♠
CO posts BB OOP, MP folds, CO raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, CO calls $7
Flop: ($21) 4♥ 5♥ K♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $11, Hero calls $11
Turn: ($43) 7♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero calls $30
River: ($103) 8♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Results: $103 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 4♥ 5♥ K♣ 7♥ 8♠
Hero showed J♥ J♠ and won $100 ($49 net)
CO mucked 9♦ 9♣ and lost (-$51 net)
#2 :
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $100 (100 bb)
BB: $133 (133 bb)
UTG: $72.38 (72.4 bb)
MP: $177.74 (177.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $108.10 (108.1 bb)
BTN: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 7♦ 6♦
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, MP calls $6
Flop: ($19.50) 9♠ A♣ T♥ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10, MP calls $10
Turn: ($39.50) 8♣ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $33, MP calls $33
River: ($105.50) K♠ (2 players)
MP bets $125.74 and is all-in, Hero calls $56.10 and is all-in
Results: $217.70 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: 9♠ A♣ T♥ 8♣ K♠
MP showed A♦ Q♥ and won $0.00 (-$108.10 net)
Hero showed 7♦ 6♦ and won $214.70 ($106.60 net)
#3 :
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $144.03 (144 bb)
Hero (BB): $153.28 (153.3 bb)
MP: $89.22 (89.2 bb)
CO: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
BTN: $91.15 (91.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with J♦ K♦
2 folds, BTN calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks
Flop: ($3) 4♠ 3♥ K♣ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, SB folds
Turn: ($8) K♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $20, Hero raises to $149.78 and is all-in, BTN calls $67.65 and is all-in
River: ($183.30) 7♠ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $183.30 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 4♠ 3♥ K♣ K♥ 7♠
Hero showed J♦ K♦ and won $180.30 ($89.15 net)
BTN showed 7♥ Q♥ and lost (-$91.15 net)
#4 :
Peut etre fold un A
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $46.59 (46.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $113.16 (113.2 bb)
MP: $116.70 (116.7 bb)
CO: $98.38 (98.4 bb)
BTN: $144.17 (144.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with T♥ A♦
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2
Flop: ($6) K♠ A♠ 8♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB calls $3.50
Turn: ($13) 4♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB calls $9
River: ($31) 8♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $97.66 and is all-in, SB calls $31.09 and is all-in
Results: $93.18 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: K♠ A♠ 8♥ 4♥ 8♣
SB showed 8♠ J♠ and won $90.18 ($43.59 net)
Hero showed T♥ A♦ and lost (-$46.59 net)
#5 :
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
Hero (BB): $100 (100 bb)
SB: $100 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 8♥ 4♥
SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6) Q♦ 4♣ 3♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $4, Hero calls $4
Turn: ($14) 9♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $8, Hero calls $8
River: ($30) 5♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $18, Hero calls $18
Results: $66 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: Q♦ 4♣ 3♦ 9♠ 5♠
Hero showed 8♥ 4♥ and won $64.50 ($31.50 net)
SB showed T♥ J♥ and lost (-$33 net)
#6 :
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $221.46 (110.7 bb)
BB: $254.46 (127.2 bb)
UTG: $295.81 (147.9 bb)
Hero (MP): $541.18 (270.6 bb)
CO: $239 (119.5 bb)
BTN: $202 (101 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP with J♦ J♣
UTG raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 3 folds, BB calls $4
Flop: ($19) 3♥ 9♥ T♠ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero raises to $19, BB folds, UTG calls $11
Turn: ($57) 2♠ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $37, UTG calls $37
River: ($131) 4♠ (2 players)
UTG bets $44, Hero calls $44
Results: $219 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 3♥ 9♥ T♠ 2♠ 4♠
UTG showed K♦ Q♠ and lost (-$106 net)
Hero showed J♦ J♣ and won $216 ($110 net)
#7 :
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
SB: $306.85 (153.4 bb)
BB: $203 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $108.97 (54.5 bb)
MP: $205 (102.5 bb)
CO: $457.05 (228.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $318.85 (159.4 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with A♠ 9♠
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG calls $6
Flop: ($19) 4♠ T♦ 2♦ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $11, UTG calls $11
Turn: ($41) 7♥ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
River: ($41) 9♥ (2 players)
UTG bets $89.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $89.97
Results: $220.94 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 4♠ T♦ 2♦ 7♥ 9♥
UTG showed 5♦ 2♠ and lost (-$108.97 net)
Hero showed A♠ 9♠ and won $217.94 ($108.97 net)
#8 :
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
SB: $212.36 (106.2 bb)
BB: $227.84 (113.9 bb)
MP: $627.75 (313.9 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $341.04 (170.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q♣ A♠
MP folds, CO raises to $5, Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, CO raises to $38, Hero calls $23
Flop: ($79) A♣ J♠ J♦ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($79) J♣ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
River: ($79) 7♣ (2 players)
CO bets $38, Hero calls $38
Results: $155 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: A♣ J♠ J♦ J♣ 7♣
CO showed Q♦ K♠ and lost (-$76 net)
Hero showed Q♣ A♠ and won $152 ($76 net)
Message original de AdjikaTou
Je comprend pas trop le thinking process du vilain![]()
Il tourne en bluff avec son blocker
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21/16/4,5 [7,5kh] (stats de SH)
44/28/11.1 [18h] (stats de HU)
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
BB: $126.23 (126.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $137.27 (137.3 bb)Preflop: Hero is SB with T♦ 7♥
Hero raises to $2.20, BB calls $1.20Flop: ($4.40) T♣ 7♦ Q♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.69, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $6.31Turn: ($24.40) 6♥ (2 players)
BB bets $17, Hero calls $17River: ($58.40) 7♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $47.50, BB raises to $97.03 and is all-in, Hero calls $49.53Results: $252.46 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: T♣ 7♦ Q♣ 6♥ 7♣
BB showed Q♦ A♣ and lost (-$126.23 net)
Hero showed T♦ 7♥ and won $250.96 ($124.73 net)
Imo il pense que tu as jamais full, que tu vas value tes str8 et tes flush et mine de rien vu son check/minraise river il devrait pratiquement jamais être en bluff ou en tout cas c'est très dur de penser qu'il le fait sans histo, donc utiliser le nuts blocker c'est pas idiot.
Bon après si tu tourne Tx et call turn J9,KJ c'est un cc je pense. Aussi avec ton sizing de bet contre un random en NL100 j'esseyerai pas de le lvl dans les herofold, d'ailleurs vu ta range perçue nutsée j'trouve ton sizing plutot dégeux.
Merci Falber pour ton avis
à la limite sur un board sans doublette why not mais là c'est chaud quand même !
à la place de vilain c'est quoi le mieux river ?
call ? fold ? raise ?
bah les doublette sont pas censé t' arranger, tu vas rarement call set ou bonnes DP flop et turn non? donc ça le touche plus que toi.
ou alors tu as une stratégie de jamais raise avant la river ou qqch de non std du genre?
a la place de vilain de base en me basant sur ton sizing et la limite, je dirais fold mais c'est ça peut rapidement être faux dès qu'on change 2-3 paramètre.