Gap The Mind - Cold Calling 3-Bets Preflop

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Siete777 and Cornholio continue discussing more strategies revolving around 'out the box' concepts. This time focusing on cold calling 3bets preflop in no limit hold'em

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Comments (19)

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  • fitzinator18

    #1

    Enjoy part 2 of Siete777 and Cornholio's Gap the mind series!

    As always please leave feedback and suggestions in the comments section below!
  • pechkin85

    #2

    when we cold call we give original raiser odds to play some hands in position, if he for example raised from bu and got 3bet from sb while we are on bb. We gonna play 3-way pot and allways will be guessing. What we can do is cold min4bet instead of cold call - original raiser can't call anymore, while 3bettor has to play his crap hands that he 3bet oop even with proper odds, his range is just much weaker than ours.
  • w34z3l

    #3

    Thx, nice vid
  • Siete777

    #4

    @ 2. pechkin85: Problem is, that we dont get to fold the stronger part of his range, like JJ, TT, AK, sometimes not even AQ. Postflop he might fold all this hands when we represent a v v strong range, especially (!) oop!

    Cheers Adil
  • Exitium

    #5

    If your normal range is 88-JJ and AQ, wouldn't it make more sense to add suited connected hands that are lower like 67s, 56s and maybe KQs to be able to hit K high boards too?
  • tolari

    #6

    what proportion to value hands in suited connectors (number of combinations) you think is best? 60/40, 70/30 ?
  • yomatiyo

    #7

    what about if we have good MS behind us? will u ever call whit a 67s f.e.?
  • Siete777

    #8

    @ 5, exitium: It depends. If villain 3bets pocket pairs, Id prefer TJs or 9Ts. If he 3bets more polarized, I agree with your idea.

    @ 7, yomatiyo: probably not, cauz of all the dead money they will have to shove any pair I guess?!

    @ 6, tolari: I never thought about a specific amount. Tbh I dont think we dont need to solve this gto-wise. We dont need to balance it perfectly, just balancing it because I think its plus EV for both: the sc and the range we already had before.

    Whenever you think its a good spot, you should do it.

    Cheers Adil
  • dreamer14

    #9

    im kinda worried about this for few reasons :
    1- i really dont wanna CC QQ+ vs 2 players, that guy who act last could easily have any kind of crap or playable hand like 56s,77,whatever, im really not happy playing this 3way (assume 100bb everybody)

    2- im kinda worried about redline cuz a)postflop - mostly with 89s u flop nothing or just sux pair and invest 10bb pre isnt best on this hand 3way (with still 1guy left to act. also if we raise somethign like 78ss on 256fd board,we dont have much credit and dont represent much imo etc b) that guy who opened a hand still can 4b and we donate him dead money and he knows we are not strong (if u dont call exactly QQ+ to trap him on 4b)
    .
    if you can explain these points a little better i would be happy. :)
  • Siete777

    #10

    Hey dreamer?

    How can you watch a gold video? ;)

    Cheers
  • dreamer14

    #11

    i was watching that with my platinum friend, not big surprise imo.
  • Jelica877

    #12

    very nice video! Tnx guys!
  • MJQuads

    #13

    LOL at the response from #10?

    Well, I have two considerations/questions then:

    1- i really dont wanna CC QQ+ vs 2 players, that guy who act last could easily have any kind of crap or playable hand like 56s,77,whatever, im really not happy playing this 3way (assume 100bb everybody)

    2- im kinda worried about redline cuz a)postflop - mostly with 89s u flop nothing or just sux pair and invest 10bb pre isnt best on this hand 3way (with still 1guy left to act. also if we raise somethign like 78ss on 256fd board,we dont have much credit and dont represent much imo etc b) that guy who opened a hand still can 4b and we donate him dead money and he knows we are not strong (if u dont call exactly QQ+ to trap him on 4b)
    .
    if you can explain these points a little better i would be happy.
  • Siete777

    #14

    @ 13, jkob:

    thx for ur feedback.

    1) u do have some implied odds cauz hes more likely gonna flop a pair or some kind of draw than twopair, flush or straight. So I dont see a problem in letting a 3rd player in. Sure ur gonna have more variance but its often more profitable.

    2) This point is not rly valid if you follow to what we explained in the video. Usually you have hands like TT, JJ, maybe QQ in such a spot. Do you rly think villains try to exploit this by 4betting you loose? I strongly doubt this. This is actually the main reason why we recommend to open your cold calling range. If you see indeed a problem regarding the balancing of it, include KK AA AK. But never calling a suited connectar cant be optimal against stronger opponents.

    Cheers Adil
  • MJQuads

    #15

    Hi! No offense meant with my comment of course, just thought he deserved an answer to his question regardless of his status! ;)

    As for me, I'd like to say that I'm really pleased with this video! Whereas the first one was pretty basic, this one explores and area, which for me has also been unconsidered so far. I love your explanations and have already made some nice ingame notes regarding coldcalling 3bets!

    All in all, like the direction in which this series is heading! GG!

    Kind Regards, Jkob.
  • irobson

    #16

    very nice and helpful video. thanks ;)
  • Siete777

    #17

    Thanks for all the feedback.

    Regards Adil
  • Varune

    #18

    How about when we're OOP or on the BB vs CO/BTN open and a SB-3bet? I Guess OOP we aren't going to call speculative hands and just fold them. And rather 4bet for value/bluff as usual?

    But Being on the BB makes us 'locked in' between two guys, which is worse imo? so same as oop?

    Thoughts?
  • joefraizer1

    #19

    thank you for such a short and with full information one!