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Collin goes into a recent 180-man $15 sng he played on Pokerstars examining short-stack play in detail


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  • ghaleon


    21:00 Q6o: One of problems with doing such defends is still ICM tax. If villain is aggro he can put lot of pressure on us. Would you still plan to call it off if he had bet turn like 10-12k as river shove would start to look quite decent risk at that point? E.g. how far are you ready to go with bluff catching in heavy ICM spot?

    Btw I partly disagree on your turn read. I would doubt this board would tend to hit BB reg that often. So even if it looks scary how much of 5x you have in your range? Also I would doubt you have much else either (made hands). But I would probably be wrong as if you are defending Q6o then you should definitely have quite few of mediocre suited connectors there also. So personally my bet range would not be that polarized.

    I personally prefer to show hrc range window also when analyzing hand as it shows nicely profitability of each hand.
  • ghaleon


    As add to my last comment it will be nice to see as video viewer if we are talking of marginal or clearly profitable plays :)
  • xWoodayx


    interesting video, although i did the opposite and went from minraise-calling/folding to more openshoving in the middle stages...i felt like i get restealed to often with hands that would have folded otherwise. like if i minraise 55 from the co with 12bb, sc's resteal wide which would have folded otherwise if i openshove...as well as the fact that u can have strange postflop stpr play as u explained urself which im not to comfortable with.

    i feel like the fact that more minraising is better for our premiums can not compensate this..

    im not saying that shvoing is in general better than ur concept, i just think both concepts are nearly even and that i would prefer the shoving game because of easier decisions especially when multitabling, which may be the reason why it works better for me.
  • CollinMoshman


    #1 Ghaleon: Nice comments/analysis. I agree that the ICM tax should make us less inclined to defend compared to say the middle stages of MTT and that the Q6o call is marginal. The main point I wanted to make is that we shouldn't restrict ourselves to playing 3bet shove or fold when he open minraises.

    In terms of his turn bet, you think he's firing hands like A7s for value?
    And also I'm not sure I understand the request you make in your 2nd comment, see as video viewer? If you elaborate I'm happy to try and accommodate.
  • CollinMoshman


    #3 xWoodayx: I agree that they often run very close in value and that openshoving can be easier when multitabling. The two main arguments in favor of the MR'ing are: can play wider range in cEV mode MR'ing most of the time; many players don't respond as well compared to the more common openshoving.

    So I'm just showing what I've been doing recently in my own games and why ... since you have good reasons for why openshoving works better for you then I'm definitely not trying to get you to switch styles :)
  • ghaleon


    When you analyze situations with HRC you show that certain hand is in your supposed range. But that doesn't tell how profitable hand is. So for people watching video it is nice to know if you are talking of clearly profitable play or marginal one.

    For Q6o hand I would say that he can at least have sets, two pair and decent overpair combos in his value range. So I would not put him just into air (or semi bluffs) and straights range.
  • Barbarendave


    23:21 your openrange is 82.3%, but T3s+, T2o+. Is that a bug in the programme or how does it happen that T2s is worse than offsuit? In the equilab that range includes all suited combinations but 23s, so how could it be that in the HRC T3s+ and 75s+ are the BE-points?
  • JustgAMblin



    I´m curious. How did you get a "range in equilab" in a raise/fold(call) situation calculated? ;)

    But to answer your question:

    I reproduced the exact hand in my HRC and it just a display bug of the ranges. In fact there are like 25 hands, which are EXACTLY +-0.00 EV and T2s and T2o are one of these hands.

    So T2s should be included. But in general, when you have hands, which you are planning to raise/fold either way, the specific equity of a hand vs the reshovingrange doesnt matter very much.

    So therefor 23s is not included, because it has not a good blocker value vs a wide reshovingrange.
  • CollinMoshman


    #6 Ghaleon: Sure understood, for future videos I produce I'll try to show this box that gives the profitability of the hands. I think a lot of regs check an overpair on the turn, but possibly his range is less polarized than I thought at the time.

    #7 Barbarendave: I think the answer to your question in #8 is very good, I don't have much to add!

    #8 Justgamblin: Thanks for your answer/comments.


    KQ 6.00-7.00 you say alarm clocks should be going on when this guy flats preflop and you are going to check fold flop unless you absolutely nail it. and then you shove T32 flop... ?