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In this live session oblioo will jump in the Betfred action as he's playing on 2 NL100 Speed tables. As this is not his usual limit, he will not have a lot of information on the opponents and will have to make GTO plays and population reads.


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  • Porter1000


    Nice Vid

    20:30 - Your hand: 55 You say you checkraise and part of that reason ist that you have bdsd and bdfd. But if the 3 arrives on turn you only have a gutshot and if the 8 arrives you have the bad end of the potential straight. Say you bet turn with the right card and you get to the river with the bad end of the straight or the flush with the 5 - What do you do? Bet or check call? Or check fold if he bets big in case you check to him?

    23:40 - The AQs hand. You were raising his check raise. Don`t you think you isolate yourself against better hands if he pushes? I don`t see him pushing anything that does not beat you. On the other hand you said that he is checkraising with a high frequency. Would it not be better then to call him down as he might bet also river with his weak range containing weak value hands and bluffs?
  • oblioo


    hi Porter,

    55 hand: Well you didn't mention that if a 6 comes then we have an open-ender, but the main reason for the raise is bluff/protection because it looks like both villains are quite weak. Your question is too vague to answer because it depends on the specific turn and river cards and the action leading up to the river. If you want to ask a more specific question I'd be happy to answer.

    AQs hand: No I was not raising his check raise; I was raising his raise. We are OOP and villain is IP. Also maybe you don't see how small our shove is vs. a call: basically we are shoving $38 on top into a pot of $163. It's such a tiny amount relative to the pot that I think it's good for value/protection rather than just calling and letting him play perfectly OTR (only putting the rest of his stack in if he improves to 2p+).
  • GingerKid


    min 29, rigth table hand 88. You are not betting hands for protection?
  • GingerKid


    What do you think, how hard is NL100 speed, comparing to e.g. zoom? it seems to me that there was not even a single fish in the video, it is reg heavy.
  • oblioo


    Gingerkid, I can't find the 88 hand you're talking about; please post a timestamp link. And, I don't have a ton of personal experience with either 100nl speed or zoom, but from what I hear, zoom is probably a lot softer (even though there definitely were some fish in this video at speed).
  • GingerKid


    I wrote it, "min 28", I meant 28:00, 2nd table board Kxx you are on BU.
    I think we should cbet flop for protection/thin, he can still floa, and weaker pairs. The way you played it, you let him realize equity with 100% range from flop to river, and you have a very bad bluff catcher on river.

    Thanks for the answer about zoom/speed.
  • oblioo


    You wrote min 29 which is why I missed it :p

    Yeah you can bet the flop; it's probably close; sorry I don't really have a better answer than that. However you say "he can still float" which is not necessarily good for us bc are we really going to be calling most rivers?
  • schnukki007


    we can see ur screenname in the replayer (-;

    greetings to your dog. my one shakes himself seconds after yours ^^
  • GingerKid


    "However you say "he can still float" which is not necessarily good for us bc are we really going to be calling most rivers?"

    Probably not going to call most rivers with so bad bluff catcher. Anyway even if we call river, it is not much influencing EV of the whole hand. But is villian going to bet river 100% of time after we check turn? Probably not, villians usually check weaker pairs than 88, and Ax hands. One one hand, you can say villian will be too much agro on river (or with raise flop) and if we plan to fold river most of the time, flop is not great play, I agree. But on the other hand, you can also say, such agro villian will likely be very agro after we check back flop, so he will bet very frequently turn and river. The difference is, that in case when you check flop, 1) he will realize equity with all of his weaker hands than yours and 2) his hands like TQ and similar will have nice equity vs your range (since you check flop many weak pairs), and will have surely FE on turn. So it is hard to imagine that those hands play -EV by betting turn. And if those hands play +EV, but would fold vs cbet (EV=0), it means less EV for your range. So I would check usually hands like Ax and bluff catch good turn cards, since those hands need less protection, and many hands that villian folds vs our cbet on flop are drawing dead vs our hand when we check back flop.
  • oblioo


    #8 shhhh ;)

    #9 I understand your points and I agree that betting MIGHT have a slightly higher EV (it probably depends largely on how aggressively villain is raising flops), but I just wanted to point out that contrary to what you wrote in your previous comment, we do NOT want to get "floated" on the flop because yes villain will bet all floats on the river (unless they improve); that's what a float is.
  • GingerKid


    You are right, I didnt think about floats. If we plan to cbet flop and most of the time fold unimproved, then it is almost like a bluff with 2 outs (bad bluff) with difference that some % of time it wins at SD vs weaker pairs or Ax. Basically, the disadvantage of cbet is that if villian floats or raises, we lose the hand mostly. With cbet we also make his range stronger.

    Imo, we shouldnt cbet a hand for protection if we cant call his bet on river once we check turn on most runouts?