Collin reviews turbo SnGs with tonypmm

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Collin reviews a pair of $60 9man turbo SNGs played by Pokerstrategy member Tonypmm. He discusses minraising vs openshoving at 10-15bb effective stacks, flatting and 3betting in blind-on-blind battles, and lategame folding wars.


9-max high blinds hrc ICM push or fold small SPR turbo sit and go tournament User Session Review

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  • tonypmm


    Dear members, witness my epic comeback from
  • tonypmm


    less than 1.5 bb to the 1st place; all we need is a chip and a chair ;)

    Bear in mind that I generally don't play non-Spin SnGs at Stars, but Collin asked me to choose a conventional format for the video, and I chose 9-man turbos as the closest format to iPoker's Maui / Rio / Fort Knox JP SnGs (they have the same 50/30/20 payouts, but in 10%-ish of cases JP equity considerations call for looser play).

    Many thanks to Collin for the review and also for persuading Pokerstrategy to make it accessible to Gold members despite the $60 BI! (Ironically, I'm going to regain Platinum due to Stars' Spin reload, but thanks anyway.)
  • Jumbleboy


    A definitely cool video)
    Thanks a lot!
    And two questions about the game
    20.50- what about stop and go with 22?
    27.00- again limping and then going all in on any dangerous flop or, if flop is dry- slowly putting chips in?
  • Barte86


    Non capisco molto l' inglese ma 66 al minuto 8.42, non sarebbe ugualmente profittevole riducendo i rischi raise e call se bb repusha?
  • RaikoK


    i just love your review videos. you make very clear explanations.

    no disrespect to your live game work, but i learn more from these, because sometimes when you live play, you just dont have the time to explain every decision.

    great job as always. cant wait for the next 9man turbo videos from you!
  • tonypmm


    #4 If risk matters to you so much, then you're probably playing too high stakes. In a single tournament, the only thing that should matter to you is how to get the maximum profit. Both a raise / call and a push are certainly good options. I prefer to push more often than an average player because of my personal weakness - not feeling comfortable when I have 'nothing' (an under-pair) on the flop (as a player with PLO background, I always want to have 'a piece of the board').
  • tonypmm


    #3 - a stop & go is always an exploitive play, i.e. in making it, we hope that the opp will play suboptimally vs our range. Otherwise it's a bad idea to let him see the flop (give him more info) if we're going to shove any flop and he knows it. So the stop & go is dominated as a strategy by the resteal-shove (which is also not the best). Kajti might be the one against whom stop & go works, but I didn't feel comfortable about it without reads.

    Limping with AA is again an exploitive play, and I don't think it's going to work against an adequate player because there's hardly any hand with which it's +EV for us to limp with ~4 bb and then not stack off. So, again, we give him additional info (the flop) without gaining much in return (he'll put us on a trapping monster hand anyway because of our reg image).
  • tonypmm


    Or, speaking from the game theory viewpoint, if I construct a BvB limping range 4 bb deep, with a significant payjump tax, the value I'll gain by slowplaying AA/KK will be not enough to compensate for the 0.5 bb that I'll lose when limp/folding speculative junk on missed flops.

    Another big factor is that I'm OOP here. If I were in the BB with
  • tonypmm


    less than 7 bb, I'd consider checking monsters back vs a player who's known to limp/fold, but as usually people have a hard time doing that, my default play would be to shove the entire value range.
  • karlosh791


    watched it 3 times. Great! Thanks a lot.
  • CollinMoshman


    First, thanks very much to Tonypmm for providing two really interesting games. You played a solid game Tony!

    #3 Jumbleboy: I think Tony answered these well, I'll just add that we also really want to knock the big blind out of this hand with the 22, and that for me this is too high an effective stack to consider a pure stop 'n go (i.e. having the plan to follow through and shove 100% of flops).

    #5 RaikoK: Thanks for the feedback, I'll definitely try to do more in this format!

    #10 Karlosh791: Great, very glad you enjoyed it :)
  • ghaleon


    1:30 A9o: Hand is not really strong enough to stack off preflop and I would not be that happy to build big pot either. Villain can obviously call with lot of worse hands, but A9o is not going to play that greatly postflop. Personally I would always flat this hand.

    2:10 Regs battle: Weird hand overall. 3betting AQo from those positions in first place is weird. I suppose he assumes to get value from worse often as turning that hand into bluff makes zero sense.

    21:40 T9o: I would not shove anything, but go with fold or nonallin.

    29:50 K9s: You mention you would raise-call 22. I think that is not good line. Villain can still flat widely and 22 will get absurd amount of tricky spots.
  • Tim64


    @30.25 Have to disagree. 7.5bb eff minraising AJs vs a known reg blind on blind is face up and just hurts Tony's overall range in this spot. From the bubble this reg knows Tony shoves wide with marginal hands (J4 etc) when he can so he should view this minraise as super suspicious and be able to play fairly optimally, including snap calling wider than nash whenever we do, in fact, open shove with this stack size.
  • Tim64


    30:25 Again, I'd just shove the QQ. Now, we actually want the reg to think our minR range is strong (since we did it last time and committed ourself on the flop) in order to rep weakness when we shove.
  • alendelon911


  • KosttuxxRNMD


    very nice video report