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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008
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Seidman revised the book in 2011 and kindly note it is a philosophy from a particular situation from my side in which I find this source.

Is my thinking poor or is the theory poor? These are 2 different things here. One can think in terms of science and literature while others rather make assumptions in which both can work well if they are successful. However, I prefer science since it doesn't judge anyone. Rather, science will always keep asking questions and strive for advancement.


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Hesticus
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I do agree with the consequence of applying this theory that you will get a lower vpip and less hands you will defend. As I said, there is a lot to say about limp/raise in this situation.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
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Originally posted by Hesticus
Seidman revised the book in 2011 and kindly note it is a philosophy from a particular situation from my side in which I find this source.

Is my thinking poor or is the theory poor? These are 2 different things here. One can think in terms of science and literature while others rather make assumptions in which both can work well if they are successful. However, I prefer science since it doesn't judge anyone. Rather, science will always keep asking questions and strive for advancement.

I don't quite understand this. You specifically said that "My thinking is..." so is this your thinking or did you just explain what the book said because you do not have a clue how things work?

What two things? Science&literature and assumptions? I don't understand what you mean..
If you prefer science and literature you should be able to think critically and search information from multiple sources.
Have you heard about stealing and defending? If you have and you read something that says you should limp JTs, then some alarms should go off imo.
And how did we come up with the idea that JTs has the same value than 72o?


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la55i
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Originally posted by Hesticus
I do agree with the consequence of applying this theory that you will get a lower vpip and less hands you will defend. As I said, there is a lot to say about limp/raise in this situation.

A much lower VPIP and much less hands that we defend and steal. Meaning we are clearly playing a way that is easily exploited and we will have significantly lower winrate. There is nothing to say about limp/raise situations ( I don't even understand what is limp/raise.. is it when we limp and get raised?). We simply never have to limp and if we face a 3bet with JTs from SB we can call it.


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Hesticus
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Dude, I didn't want to offend you. I am learning so indeed I do not know how things work (as of most of us we can always keep learning). I hope you are willing to help me to get my mind straight and I do really welcome you to follow my blog from time to time and give a sledgehammer-comment on my play ;)

Cheers:f_drink:


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la55i
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Originally posted by Hesticus
Dude, I didn't want to offend you. I am learning so indeed I do not know how things work (as of most of us we can always keep learning). I hope you are willing to help me to get my mind straight and I do really welcome you to follow my blog from time to time and give a sledgehammer-comment on my play ;)

Cheers:f_drink:

You didn't offend me. I hope I didn't offend you :)

You just seemed to have very strong opinion about this and I think it is wrong so I had to express my own opinion strongly too. We are all learning and I'm a big fish at some spots too so no problem. That's why we are here debating about things, so we can learn.

I'll start following your blog :f_thumbsup:


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Hesticus
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Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by Hesticus
Dude, I didn't want to offend you. I am learning so indeed I do not know how things work (as of most of us we can always keep learning). I hope you are willing to help me to get my mind straight and I do really welcome you to follow my blog from time to time and give a sledgehammer-comment on my play ;)

Cheers:f_drink:

You didn't offend me. I hope I didn't offend you :)

You just seemed to have very strong opinion about this and I think it is wrong so I had to express my own opinion strongly too. We are all learning and I'm a big fish at some spots too so no problem. That's why we are here debating about things, so we can learn.

I'll start following your blog :f_thumbsup:

Yes, you are right. I overdid it a bit :sorry:
Thank you very much man! We keep in touch and happy you will follow my blog and naturally, I will follow yours:f_thumbsup:


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009
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Originally posted by kriko92
Limp/raise happens way too rarely to be an issue. You can't use the "what if he raises me" question to determine how to play in most scenarios, especially on micros. I've seen too many people scared to take aggressive lines because they might get raised, even if this will happen <5% of the time in the spot. In other words, don't be scared of raises before they happen.
There are of course some spots where you will get raised often so you have to consider it but I'm not talking about these. What you want to avoid is the fear of getting raised when there are no indications it is going to happen.

Nice that u completed ur thinking to the end. Cause I really think its prudent to think about the situation u are in and figure out, before, if u are likely going to be raised or not.


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100 buyins mngmt is a lot for even micro HU hypers, for micro cash games this is a total waste of time, probably much better to cashout those additional 50 buyins and get coaching.

And this are the words from someone that has probably made more money from micro HUsngs than anyone else in last 2 years but is flat broke and could never move up bcuz of my roll mngmnt. ( I was waaaay more agressive though, probably had 20 buyins avg roll and playing hypers HU, what a stupid piece of sh** I am, I see guys I had marked on 7s crushing 100s by now).


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Afulibador
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ODhudinjaEM, I really think its a personal thing... And this kind of peaceful state of mind when using this 100 buy ins bankroll is just like mastercard _thumbsup:


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nitrol
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Originally posted by ODhudinjaEM
100 buyins mngmt is a lot for even micro HU hypers, for micro cash games this is a total waste of time, probably much better to cashout those additional 50 buyins and get coaching.

And this are the words from someone that has probably made more money from micro HUsngs than anyone else in last 2 years but is flat broke and could never move up bcuz of my roll mngmnt. ( I was waaaay more agressive though, probably had 20 buyins avg roll and playing hypers HU, what a stupid piece of sh** I am, I see guys I had marked on 7s crushing 100s by now).

Totally agree about the coaching but we have discussed it already and he likes free articles and vids.


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Afulibador
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Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by ODhudinjaEM
100 buyins mngmt is a lot for even micro HU hypers, for micro cash games this is a total waste of time, probably much better to cashout those additional 50 buyins and get coaching.

And this are the words from someone that has probably made more money from micro HUsngs than anyone else in last 2 years but is flat broke and could never move up bcuz of my roll mngmnt. ( I was waaaay more agressive though, probably had 20 buyins avg roll and playing hypers HU, what a stupid piece of sh** I am, I see guys I had marked on 7s crushing 100s by now).

Totally agree about the coaching but we have discussed it already and he likes free articles and vids.

Sure, but the main point in this case is not even that... but what I mentioned that surpass the primary utility of a bankroll _grin:


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nitrol
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Well ,you have the right to choose how to play. We're saying that 100 BI bank roll is a bit too tight.


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Afulibador
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Actually, is the more conservative one that I ever saw for cash games.


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nitrol
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What I said but using other words actually. :)


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
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Not sure how this discussion came to BRM, but from my experience you shouldn't move to a higher limit untill you beat the current one. It happend to me a couple of times that I moved up, but I would be break even at current limit in game and winning just because of rakeback, so that wouldn't go well.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
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This is 100% true. Otherwise you are a fish with cash on the higher limit. :)
It is like a monkey with a machine gun :)


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Afulibador
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Originally posted by Alleen86
Not sure how this discussion came to BRM, but from my experience you shouldn't move to a higher limit untill you beat the current one. It happend to me a couple of times that I moved up, but I would be break even at current limit in game and winning just because of rakeback, so that wouldn't go well.

Hum... Forgot to mention, when using the bankroll I advocated here u are also forced to play more (and win more) before being able to mathematically advance in stakes. This give u a way more solid path throughout them.


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nitrol
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Afulibador, nobody says you are doing something wrong. In fact 3-4 years ago everyone, even here, proclaimed your way of BRM.
Now, there are more adaptive strategies, for players that would like to mova a little bit faster through limits.
You should use a BRM that give you confidence, so you can play your A game not worrying about busting.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009
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Sure, and I m complementing the benefits of using it.


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