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Was having a horrendous session on .02/.05 Zone - down almost 2 buyins. Then this hand happened which I thought would be $$$$$$ but ended up being the opposite. Am I just the worst poker player in the world? I'm on a $50 downswing playing low stakes online and a roughly $1800 downswing in live $1/2 after being up $1600. ;( ;(

UTG (main villain) $18.54
SB (hero) $7.54

UTG raises 2x to .10
BTN calls.
I call in SB with K♠:9♠:

Pot is .32
We go 3 ways to flop of Q♦:Q♣:J♣:

Not much going on for me ... just a gutter.

UTG bets .10, BTN folds
Bc it's just .10, I figure I can stay in the hand and maybe hit my gutter. Feels like UTG has :Qx: which is why he bet so little ... so I figure I can get paid off big if I hit my ten

He might even just have a jack, which means my king is live ... who knows.

With .52 in pot, turn comesQ♦:Q♣:J♣:8♠:

Oooh so close. I check, hoping he doesn't bet too much.
Villain bets .30 into .52

I definitely do NOT have the pot odds to draw to my gutter although I really put villain on a queen here and I know I can make a major payday if that ten hits .... so I decide to make the call. (I guess you'd call that implied odds)

With 1.12 in pot ... river comes Q♦:Q♣:J♣:8♠:T♣: BOOM!!!

Yes! Yes! Yes!! I'm elated! This is the hand to get me out of the hole. Straight against flopped trips! He'll never be able to give this up.

Thinking it would seem fishy to lead out, I check to him because I know he'll bet again with his trips.

He does bet ... 1.20 into 1.12 .... bingo!

I raise to $4. He calls .... shows 3♣:2♣: for the frickin' flush X( X(

Like what?!?!?

I did NOT put him on a flush draw? Am I right?

Why would a flush draw make small flop and turn bets on a QQJ8 board? If I show any aggression, he needs to fold his draw. Doesn't make sense IMO

Like I said at the beginning though, I may be the worst poker player on this site


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by krahn23
Was having a horrendous session on .02/.05 Zone - down almost 2 buyins. Then this hand happened which I thought would be $$$$$$ but ended up being the opposite. Am I just the worst poker player in the world?

Overall, this hand is just a cooler. The fact that opponent can play such a hand needs notes though!

Calling OTR is OK, since the straight does have showdown value.
I'm never raising a straight on a paired board with flushes also possible.
That said, I'm never folding it either.


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

you should fold pre, fold flop as we are multiway, fold turn and -as vorpal pointed out- not raise the river.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
just a cooler.

when you butcher every street, this is not a cooler anymore.

so OP, it is good that you are here and that you start learning the game. that move was well played. :f_drink:


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SamoB25
Joined: 02.10.2009

All I see here for each street up to river is "I HOPE that my gutshot fulfills". Playing on hope in poker is worst than playing drunk - it sometimes even feels the same!

Practice your poker math and practice overall ranges based (!) strategy and revisit this hand in two weeks and see how you feel about it :)

My suggestion to you would be to do the
- Poker basics articles to refresh the memory of importance of odds/implied odds/equity
- Poker basics articles to refresh the memory of different player types, but more importantly applying thinking in ranges preflop and on every street

Even if it seems silly re-reading them again, after you've been up to 1600 USD already!

I re-read them 50+ times now already, after almost every poker math/strategy heavy book, because I always find a bit of information that I might have missed or completely misunderstood previous time.

Do this and you'll quickly realize hope has no business in poker πŸ™‚

P.S. I hope this doesn't read as too rough, I mean only well, ok?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Pokamon
you should fold pre, fold flop as we are multiway, fold turn and -as vorpal pointed out- not raise the river.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
just a cooler.

when you butcher every street, this is not a cooler anymore.

You are quite correct.
On re-reading my post, I cannot imagine what (of if) I was thinking.


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