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satishvasoya
Joined: 22.10.2010

all d hands are grossly overplayed bro..
find that fold button..
big river raise at micros is hardly ever a bluff...


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Hey sketsomania,

In general, a rule that you need to keep in mind especially in nl10 is that the regs almost never bluff on the river. So we can actually fold many hands in the hands that you've posted. I'll go through them one by one.

Hand #1 - KJ

With the flush being there I think we could fold this. I would've called if the flush had not hit I guess. Although now that I think of it, when a player checks flop and plays this way he almost always has the nuts. Hence I think its a fold either ways.

Hand #2 - 33

I don't like 4betting river. Either call or fold. I would've just called the raise there. River aggression stats would help.

Hand #3 - KJ

Don't think we can do much here. Well played imo.

Hand # 4 - AK

Calling a 4bet is really bad actually with 100bb. It can be exploited easily. I prefer either folding or 5betting. Another option is to flat preflop instead of 3betting. As played, what is the point of raising river? I don't understand the point of raising the flop as it only keeps better hands in.

Hand #5 - q7s

Why 3bet here? I prefer 3betting with 67s or so. Not a fan of 3betting pre with this. Post flop is alright. If it wasn't a 3bet pot I'd keep his range wider and probably bet river too. If you can give me his 3bet stats along with vpip/pfr, we could discuss this hand more in detail.


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sketosomania
Joined: 07.04.2011

Pocket 33 was a misclick I was just calling
About the AK hand. Should I fold after his 4 bet which is only 6bb more to my 9bb 3bet.Also when I flop TPTK any chance I can fold?


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Its a cold 4bet. At these stakes that is usually AA, KK. Look at his stats, I wouldn't expect anything other than that. I prefer just folding and waiting for a better spot which I'll get very often.

After calling pre I don't we can get away from this hand. But I prefer just flatting instead of raising to keep his bluffs in his range too. :)

What do you think?


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abhi147
Joined: 12.08.2011

Ill tell you something
with hands like AK most ppl dont know how to play post flop so they just shove pre instead of 4bet/5bet
Same goes for QQ
In this spot ur most likely up against AA and KK

And you get TP top kicker so u go all in?
Thats horribly wrong
Think of it this way when you shove what hand does he call with?
He folds QQ JJ and all other good hands as your hand is pretty much face up that you have AK there
Do you expect him to have KQ and call you?

KJ hand i agree with clawin i wouldnt be able to put him on KQ there but with the flush i just fold it now


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Haha agree on abhi about ak I always shove them when i get 4bet there


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abhi147
Joined: 12.08.2011

u are a fish IK !!!
all fish go all in with AK pre !!!


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Sorry for moving away from topic but I've always wondered this but not asked. :)

How do you two know each other ik and ab? I'm assuming you guys know each other outside pokerstrategy. :)


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abhi147
Joined: 12.08.2011

oh yeah
he was my clan mate when we used to play counter strike together

I used to run a company called v-street which was the biggest game server hosting company in india

I used to abuse him like crazy when he didnt follow my orders :P


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Haha thought so. Does he follow your orders in poker? ;)


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Lol thats not true I dint play under his team xD He sponsored some teams which lost badly to Us xD I was from clan T20-Tired to own if u forgot

that was not poker mate U lose there xD

Btw there was a topic on shoving ak and queens aipf and they r profitable in the long run was the final conclusion xD


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Originally posted by ikkvr

Btw there was a topic on shoving ak and queens aipf and they r profitable in the long run was the final conclusion xD

It really depends on a lot of things. For example, If a player is a nit and only 3bets AA and KK then obviously its not profitable.

So its really impossible to conclude something like that without more information. In general though, at higher stakes its usually profitable as people also 5bet shove hands like 67s and so on.

But you'll never really see that kind of play until nl50 or other than a few exceptions. Hence at lower stakes its advisable not to do so. :)


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Yea depends but I dont have hud playing zoom and I asked few of the coaches in coaching they said its better to shove at micros also :)


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Reason being?


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Its profitable in the long run U will run into kk,qq,aq and lower pps Where Ur not so much behind :) Coz different players have different ranges not all are uber nit :) I asked this for zoom only and without hud so the reason may depend if u play normal tables with hud

And its not about shoving 100bb directly But when u get 4 bet over ur 3 bet


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Just when u praise ak Got it in with kk vs 2 guys Both holding ak I am like wow nice pot and then obviously river was Ace STAHP


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clawindsouza
Joined: 08.12.2009

Originally posted by ikkvr
Its profitable in the long run U will run into kk,qq,aq and lower pps Where Ur not so much behind :) Coz different players have different ranges not all are uber nit :) I asked this for zoom only and without hud so the reason may depend if u play normal tables with hud

And its not about shoving 100bb directly But when u get 4 bet over ur 3 bet

I think they were talking just about BU vs CO or BU vs blinds or something like that. I'm pretty sure getting it in against UTG or so preflop is -ev.


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

We were talking about 3bet 4bet broke range Dont remember than u must be right


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ikkvr
Joined: 19.12.2012

Lol ok I say ak is bad bad too bad bloody cursed

Lost another 2 bis with qq vs ak kk vs ak damn time to play League of legends and stop the cursed session for a while


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sketosomania
Joined: 07.04.2011

All right time for some hand review. Really weird spot here

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BB$10.00:///////;MP2$22.98:///////;MP3$7.56:///////;CO$8.57:///////;BU$12.14:///////;SB (Hero)$10.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:c, A:c.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20.

Flop: ($0.6) 8:c, K:c, 6:s (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40.

Turn: ($1.4) 6:h (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90.

River: ($3.2) J:c (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB raises to $8.40(All-In), Hero calls or folds?.

Final Pot: ?.
Results follow:
Hero shows a flush, ace high(Q:c A:c).

10NL Overview: 30k hand -50$


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