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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011
PokerStrategist

Fold pre! Even more so against such a nitty guy!

If he has just KK/JJ here then it's of course an easy fold. But even if he has just AA here as well, I think you have to get it in. That said I think most players would just cbet AA/AK here, but I'd expect most people to cbet KK/JJ on this board too when it's 4way.

I don't think I'd fold here, and would probably just get it in and hope he doesn't have KK/JJ. Also he might have some flush draws here or maybe even KJs? So he could still have some of those as well I guess.


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I really like his line with something like KK... Its a wetish board that hits calling ranges v utg so once he checks someone will most likely bet. Plus with KK he blocks Kx hands that can call down.

It doesn't make as much sense for him to check AA/AK imo. I think these work much better as part of a cbet range.

And with a 9% open KJ is unlikely part of his range

It'd look him up with something like AQhh but 44 is a fold for me, nh.

edit: And like Tino said, 44 is a fold pre for me too


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Thanks a lot for your input guys, I think I agree with everyone, even me!

The more I look at it the more I think my instinct for folding pre was better, I obviously had no idea what to do in this particular situation; most of my master-plan revolved around hitting a set, but that's not a great reason to call anyway if it's the only one I think.

Really learning a lot lately and it hurts my lonely likkle brain cell, but I'm actually (and surprisingly so) finding it fun.

Now if I can just start winning as well... :f_love:


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009
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well I am sorry but I disagree :P

people that play so few hand want to play them. Off course he can have JJ or KK but I think his range his more like JJ, KK+ AK maybe even add 1 combo of A♥Q♥ for good measure IMO KK and JJ call your bet and dont raise that much.

you are only 100bb deep ffs, don't fold a set, even bottom set OTF on such a dry flop


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

I had a feeling that would happen, I gotz thazar'd! Don't be sorry to disagree it's great!

Still unsure but it does sound sensible I know, but villain is highly unlikely to chk/r AQhh or AK(which I think probably bets), not sure about JJ being so passive.
I'll stick to my usual, if in doubt, including preflop which would have avoided all the no clue what to do stuff. :f_o:

Note to self: learn to think, then jump.


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Right, quick update for the fazerman.

My biggest pot and a winning session at last(+1BI). This one was a snap and certainly got my pulse racing that's for sure! I need to get out of my head that this would have been a 16BI pot a few weeks ago :f_eek: :f_biggrin:

Hooooolllldd!

BTN: $29.10 (116.4 bb)
SB: $41.79 (167.2 bb)
BB: $11.01 (44 bb)
UTG: $32.80 (131.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $45.99 (184 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6 6
UTG raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, SB calls $0.40, BB folds

Flop: ($2.25) Q 6 5 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1.12, Hero raises to $3.36, 2 folds, UTG raises to $32.30 and is all-in, Hero calls $28.94

Turn: ($66.85) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($66.85) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$66.85 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: Q 6 5 K J
SB mucked and lost (-$0.50 net)
UTG showed A A and lost (-$32.80 net)
Hero showed 6 6 and won $63.85 ($31.05 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$0.50 net)

Next! _evil:


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011
PokerStrategist

Good job for not folding this time, nh sir :f_thumbsup:


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Ok, been suffering entitlement tilt last couple of days. I get frustrated sitting for 1K hands and breaking even-ish.
Here's one I felt I shoulda won:

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $45.12 (180.5 bb)
UTG: $31.83 (127.3 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $30.54 (122.2 bb)
BTN: $30.43 (121.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
MP posts BB OOP, UTG folds, MP checks, Hero raises to $1, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, MP calls $2.25, Hero raises to $7.25, SB raises to $25 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero calls $17.75

Flop: ($55.10) 6 9 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($55.10) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($55.10) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$55.10 pot ($2.75 rake)
Final Board: 6 9 2 7 5
SB showed K A and won $52.35 ($27.35 net)
Hero showed K K and lost (-$25 net)

Why this stuff is bothering me so much I have no clue unless it's just me at the new limit - or at mine. It's not as if I'm losing. :f_cry:

Welcome to the future of construction:


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
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SO I sat at 4 tables full of regs today because I need to get hands on them for analysis purposes. I had a nice sweat sess yesterday with AB and we looked at one reg in detail.
I played v him today and totally owned him so bad he moved tables...eat shit and die regfish, 50 billion flies can't all be wrong! Oh and thanks AB for the insight. _cool:

I didn't win of course but that's bye the bye; I will, I just need to barrel them off sometimes.

Good stuff, maybe BSB will take me on and I'll eat them up at nl50 next year!

This was cool way back when:

I and I iz gan.


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009
Oldschool Grinder

You go kill those regfish!


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Played very very little over the weekend, I was in too much pain and still am frankly. I've had toothache before obviously but my jaw huts so much as well and I haven't eaten for two days. More coffee Mal?

I did have a game this afternoon, mainly to take my mind off it. It didn't work but I won a few cents or so.

So, in deference to AB, here's a "Nice giraffe:"

Refusing to fold the bb. He raised sb, I called with all sorts, again and again and again. I think he got a bit pouty in the end, even though he hit his hand there's no call here...unless I'm bluffing for like the 5th time in 10 for small amounts and getting "found out..."(which I was :) ) So what do I do(?), well, push of course! :coolface:

MP: $25.13 (100.5 bb)
CO: $32.32 (129.3 bb)
BTN: $20.10 (80.4 bb)
SB: $26.88 (107.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $31.01 (124 bb)
UTG: $39.97 (159.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T A
4 folds, SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 6 7 Q (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $2.75, Hero raises to $6.60, SB calls $3.85

River: ($16.70) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22.66, SB calls $18.53

Results:

Spoiler

$53.76 pot ($2.68 rake)
Final Board: 6 7 Q 9 J
SB showed 9 9 and lost (-$26.88 net)
Hero showed T A and won $51.08 ($24.20 net)

Sometimes I'm so good I scare myself. Oh and that reg sat in for 10 hands or so and left again. (owned) :f_love: :f_love:

My staker will be pleased if this rate keeps up; from nearly zero to hero in two months. I would be over the moon to be able to send a nice payback this time round.

Br 782

Pfff, I can beat this lot with toothache! _evil:

Run good guys.


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RasTweet
Joined: 26.12.2009
Oldschool Grinder

Holy cr*p you demigod! You are passing me :O I'm not playing much but still :O Keep it up!!


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009
Elite Grinder

very nice Mal

Keep it up ;)


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MrMardyBum
Joined: 14.03.2009
Oldschool Grinder

Great to see good news in your blog and a bit more positivity. Keep it up dude, race you to NL200! :)


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ABShortland
Joined: 21.11.2008
PokerStrategist

That is a very NiceGiraffe Mal! Alot better looking than this chap anyway!

Thats probably what all the nice guys at PKR whos money you're going to take are gonna look like _cool:

Have you been through any more regs yet and found any interesting tells?


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Played a differnt kind of game today and sometimes it worked but mostly I got owned.

Exhibit 1:

SB: $26.61 (106.4 bb)
BB: $32.83 (131.3 bb)
MP: $49.73 (198.9 bb)
CO: $30.99 (124 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 5
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.50) 8 K 2 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.50) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $1.12, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.99, SB folds

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On the other hand...

Exhibit 2:

SB: $36.16 (144.6 bb)
BB: $28.47 (113.9 bb)
UTG: $30.68 (122.7 bb)
MP: $47.63 (190.5 bb)
CO: $34.29 (137.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 9
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($6) J 4 7 (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($12) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, SB raises to $30, Hero calls $1.25 and is all-in

River: ($50.50) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$50.50 pot ($2.52 rake)
Final Board: J 4 7 7 3
SB showed A 5 and won $47.98 ($22.98 net)
Hero showed 8 9 and lost (-$25 net)

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I'm liking this way of playing but the problem is these guys are looking worse and worse as I go along and I'm not sure if it really is the way to go.
If it is, then I played my AA+ game today and ran into them. Meh.

oops! :rolleyes:


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BrokesoBroke
Joined: 23.10.2007
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Dat Redline!

:P


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Bah, you're just showing off because you're good at this shit.
I tried last night to mend 'dat red line' and you can see the result for yourself. :f_mad:

Bye the way, it's good to see you floating about the place again Hai. _love:

So today's plan is a slight change in that I'm not going to try bullying them into folding a weak TP or draw! Maybe I can win a few dorrars back that way.

Gadgetnit out.


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EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010
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Originally posted by gadget51
So today's plan is a slight change in that I'm not going to try bullying them into folding a weak TP or draw! Maybe I can win a few dorrars back that way.

You don't get a positive redline by making people fold TP, you get it by being aggressive when their range is weak and TP is a small part of their range. As a result, they have to fold often. :)


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
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...as a result, they have to fold often...

To paraphrase politicians here; "I refer the honourable gentleman to the graph I gave earlier."
My understanding is that it's the range not the hand I'm targeting and sometimes the player tendencies to wimp out. I think I played well for the most part - as far as 'played well' fits into my ability, it's just a new tactic to me - oh and I probably watch too much pleno1 without the skills to implement the knowledge! :f_biggrin:

TLDR;
A bit like one of my Aikido lessons from years ago, I learned enough to get myself into trouble but not enough to get back out.
On the positive side, I'm now experimenting a lot more and thinking more about the game.

Thanks for the input guys, appreciated always.


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