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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Micro MTT Festival @ GG y'all! Gonna play some Turbos (duration 6-7 hr) and hopefully hypers.

Mtt play since mid 2024:

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Those are almost all 6-handed hypers. Going to play some 8-handed as well now (I think they are easier).


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Stackoffski
Micro MTT Festival @ GG y'all! Gonna play some Turbos (duration 6-7 hr) and hopefully hypers.

Mtt play since mid 2024:

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Those are almost all 6-handed hypers. Going to play some 8-handed as well now (I think they are easier).

That is a pretty common pattern for MTTs.
Do the 8-handed ones pay top 3 spots? If so, I wouldn't mind the 8-player format.


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
That is a pretty common pattern for MTTs.
Do the 8-handed ones pay top 3 spots? If so, I wouldn't mind the 8-player format.

Hi, you were mixing mtts with stts in your mind? 15% gets itm, 12% for bounties.

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I've been disconnected from the internet for 5 days without any sort of fix. What a weird experience! You really use some kind of internet for almost everything you do nowadays. So happy to have it back! I guess the games where pretty good while I was away from the tables?

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Stackoffski

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
That is a pretty common pattern for MTTs.
Do the 8-handed ones pay top 3 spots? If so, I wouldn't mind the 8-player format.

Hi, you were mixing mtts with stts in your mind? 15% gets itm, 12% for bounties.

I was indeed.


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I was indeed.

You're mind was playing games then ... don't worry, I hope it was a good drink :f_thumbsup:


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

I sattelited into the $150 GGmasters 2day event through the WSOP satelites ($150 ticket is also valid for GGMasters). That will be a long sit, not my kind of thing, but I guess I am going to make an exception. Not sure when I'll play. Ticket valid for 1 year.

I have another WSOP $10 ticket to try to get another one, or a few bucks maybe ..


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

I got out the 1st hand of the final table with A6s.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Stackoffski
I got out the 1st hand of the final table with A6s.

Oh well.
When I first read that I thought that you were saying you killed everyone on the FT, but sadly, no.

Still, a hundred and twenty bucks is nice


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

haha ... nah literally the first hand of the FT, I had only 5.7bbs left in MP with A6s. Maybe I should have ditched it. I don't remember what the next payout was. but hey: $120 is nice indeed :f_thumbsup:


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Why are you losing at showdown?

Me:

GG Poker - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 118.5 BB
SB: 179 BB
BB: 252 BB
UTG: 306.9 BB
MP: 123.8 BB
CO: 104.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ 8♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (4.9 BB, 2 players) 2♦ 7♥ 2♠
BB checks, Hero bets 1.8 BB, BB calls 1.8 BB

Turn: (8.5 BB, 2 players) T♣
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (8.5 BB, 2 players) K♣
BB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB calls 6 BB

Hero shows A♥ 8♣ (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 28%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
BB shows 9♦ 9♣ (Two Pair, Nines and Twos)
(Pre 72%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
BB wins 25.2 BB

I thought he had some weak pair a lot when he called the flop, and certainly when he donked the river with a quick 'block'bet.
... He did tank for a long time though ... I should have made it a little bit bigger :f_wink:
I need him to fold around 43% with this size, and he needs to win around 23% when calling. :f_mad:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Stackoffski
I thought he had some weak pair a lot when he called the flop, and certainly when he donked the river with a quick 'block'bet.
... He did tank for a long time though ... I should have made it a little bit bigger :f_wink:
I need him to fold around 43% with this size, and he needs to win around 23% when calling. :f_mad:
Please walk me through the calculation you do to determine how often you need to win.
I did this years ago, and not only have I forgotten how to calculate it, I've forgotten where I read it.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Stackoffski
I thought he had some weak pair a lot when he called the flop, and certainly when he donked the river with a quick 'block'bet.
... He did tank for a long time though ... I should have made it a little bit bigger :f_wink:
I need him to fold around 43% with this size, and he needs to win around 23% when calling. :f_mad:
Please walk me through the calculation you do to determine how often you need to win.
I did this years ago, and not only have I forgotten how to calculate it, I've forgotten where I read it.


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Rhodriguez
Joined: 01.10.2006

To remember:

bet / ( pot + bet)

9 / ( 8.5 + 3 + 9) = 9 / 20.5 = 43.9%
6 / (20.5 + 6) = 22.6%

And derived from:

p * pot = (1-p) * bet
Solve for p.


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Please walk me through the calculation you do to determine how often you need to win.
I did this years ago, and not only have I forgotten how to calculate it, I've forgotten where I read it.

Originally posted by Rhodriguez
bet / ( pot + bet)

:f_thumbsup:

I came up with this formula myself from scratch to see if I could do it with just simple logical steps (of course checked afterwards with existing formulas). But that's a long time ago. I don't remember how I did it and the file is gone with the busted harddrive. Can't really walk you through it.

It just went something like this, with logical steps:

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let bet = 2
let pot = 6

When we win, we win 6.
When we lose, we lose 2.
So for every time we win, we can lose pot/bet = 6/2 = 3 times.
So for every 3+1 = 4 times, we win 1 time and lose 3 times to break even, which is 25%
...
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But I really don't remember how I came up with the formula.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

That makes sense, I was thinking that pot odds were involved somehow.
I also found the spreadsheet from 2015 where I entered this and a bunch of other formulas.

Maybe I should open it to see if I can figure out what I did...


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
That makes sense, I was thinking that pot odds were involved somehow.
I also found the spreadsheet from 2015 where I entered this and a bunch of other formulas.

Maybe I should open it to see if I can figure out what I did...

Well, the pot odds also consist out of the pot and bet variables, right?

bet = 2
pot = 6
pot odds = bet : pot = 2 : 6
perc = bet / (bet + pot) *100 = 2/8*100 = 25%


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Too bad, I lost with TT vs ATo.

But another final table and some bucks :f_thumbsup:


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Merry Christmas! Good to see that you beat that nasty GG ring!


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Stackoffski
Joined: 08.09.2021

Originally posted by taavi1337
Merry Christmas! Good to see that you beat that nasty GG ring!

Merry Christmas to you too Taavi! Have some good holidays with your family, sneaking in some poker inbetween the family-sessions maybe :f_tongue:. And for 2026: Hope teaching the children will continue.


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calimanpool
Joined: 19.10.2010

Ouch, that's a tough way to go out. Losing a 70/30 like TT vs ATo right at the finish line always stings. Still, another final table is a huge achievement! Consistency is what matters in the long run, and you're clearly hitting those deep runs. Congrats on the score!


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